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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48201: Jan 25th 2013 at 9:26:28 PM

I can see why, it's a good idea. I hope it doesn't go into affect.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#48202: Jan 25th 2013 at 9:28:19 PM

It's only a good idea if you want to completely ignore democracy.

They're better off manipulating it to their advances, because that means voters won't harass them as much

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#48203: Jan 25th 2013 at 9:34:40 PM

It seems like it could really backfire down the road if it works.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48204: Jan 25th 2013 at 9:35:24 PM

[up][up]I should have specified. It's a good idea for them. It's a terrible idea for society in general.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#48205: Jan 25th 2013 at 10:30:22 PM

New Jersey Republicans must be sweating bullets though, this is going to come back to bite them next election. Even if it really isn't their fault.

There partially protected under Governor Christie (and in doing so Christie may have sacrificed his chance at being the Republican nominee in 2016.)

Any New Jersey Representative that voted against the relief is a goner though.

Ryan is an Objectivist. That's kind of like sociopathy codified and given a moral framework.

Objectivism is basically what happens when you turn Laissez-Faire Capitalism into a religion.

Although in fairness to Ryan he did vote for the Sandy Relief Bill.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
...
#48206: Jan 25th 2013 at 10:34:31 PM

[up]He did? Wow. I suddenly have a very, very, small amount of respect for him.

edited 25th Jan '13 10:34:50 PM by Lascoden

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#48207: Jan 25th 2013 at 10:50:46 PM

Representative Stephen Lynch will launch bid for Kerry's Senate seat

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#48208: Jan 26th 2013 at 3:43:16 AM

I find dishing on Objectivists in a politics thread (as opposed to a philosophy thread) to be somewhat unfair and inaccurate even if the statements about them are true. Whenever a politician is waving the Ayn Rand flag, you can take it to the bank that the Ayn Rand Institute is almost certainly (albeit grudgingly) on the other side, or at worst neutral.

Objectivists hate social conservatives (especially combined with corporate welfare and foreign aid to Israel) even more than they hate economic liberals. (Foreign policy, it's a wash, since the Objectivist position would look insane even to the farthest right wing.)

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#48209: Jan 26th 2013 at 5:41:58 AM

Obectivist foreign policy, to the extent they have one is basically isolationist as far as armed intervention is concerned but economically globalist.

edited 26th Jan '13 5:42:16 AM by tricksterson

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48211: Jan 26th 2013 at 10:06:30 AM

If objectivists hate social conservatives more than economic liberals, then shouldn't there be voting statistics that support that trend?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a high correlation between being an objectivist and being a self-declared libertarian, and the latter camp sides with the Republicans overwhelmingly.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#48212: Jan 26th 2013 at 10:14:22 AM

I'd assume it's because the Objectivists argued here hate large meddlesome government more than they hate the Social Conservatives or the Economic Liberals.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#48213: Jan 26th 2013 at 10:26:23 AM

If it's not reflected in voting patterns, then I don't see how it's relevant to US politics.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#48214: Jan 26th 2013 at 10:42:54 AM

[up][up][up] It's because, in the US, you can really only be a Democrat or a Republican, and the Democrat platform as a whole is generally more disagreeable to Libertarians than the Republican platform as a whole is.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#48216: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:38:06 AM

... What, are they gunning for a "Christian States of America"?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#48217: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:40:54 AM

Actually I think "high school oath" is problematic in itself.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#48218: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:40:58 AM

... What, are they gunning for a "Christian States of America"?
The Religious Right bloc of the party? Probably in some fashion, yes.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#48219: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:45:28 AM

I wasn't joking earlier when I said that a significant part of the Republican voter base is theocrats.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#48220: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:48:02 AM

What would it take to break down the mega-parties into their component parties, again?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#48221: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:51:02 AM

I still think that if Democrats included multiparty system in their platform, it would do a whole lot of good.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#48222: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:56:59 AM

What would it take to break down the mega-parties into their component parties, again?
Something other than first past the post.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#48223: Jan 26th 2013 at 11:57:26 AM

Unfortunately, there's a measure of self-interest preventing either party from openly supporting a system that would, of necessity, reduce their power.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#48224: Jan 26th 2013 at 12:05:08 PM

[up]You could say the same for single-party states, but they sometimes managed to voluntarily become more democratic. Why can't the Democratic Party do just that?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#48225: Jan 26th 2013 at 12:06:38 PM

Generally it takes revolutionary pressure or outside influence to force such a transition. Just because the U.S. Democratic Party isn't as autocratic as the Republican Party doesn't mean it's populated entirely by altruists looking out for the public welfare.

edited 26th Jan '13 12:07:35 PM by Fighteer

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