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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47851: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:27:16 PM

All right, what's your idea on how to improve gun regulations?

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#47852: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:30:48 PM

[up] Personally, I support mandatory registration and competency requirements before getting a concealed carry permit. It still boggles me that my state (WA) gives anyone a CPL without making them prove competency first, but they have a required firearms safety course for hunting licenses.

The rest of the stuff I'd implement is in other arenas, but I think they'd reduce violence.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#47853: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:31:00 PM

Bans on assault rifles and high capacity magazines make a certain amount of sense.

No it wouldn't. Besides, it's been done, and there wasn't much of a blip because those weapons are unlikely to ever be used in a crime to begin with. It's like worrying about sharks at the beach even if you're more likely to die from drowning.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#47854: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:37:03 PM

You mean aside from the list of things Obama has already stated he wants to put in place and is making moves to do so? Because it's a fairly good list that you seem unaware of.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/obama-executive-actions-gun-list/61075/

We need a comprehensive national database of gun owners and their current license status.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47855: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:37:46 PM

Will any of those actually get implemented?

edited 22nd Jan '13 7:37:57 PM by Serocco

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#47856: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:40:15 PM

Probably. We're just going to have to wait and see. He also addressed the issue in his Inaugural Address, and given the ongoing debate in general I doubt the issue is going to be dropped. But that list still makes a damn sight more sense than your foolish suggestion. (Not to mention unjust since you seemed to be unaware that we can't just say someone retroactively committed a crime.)

Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#47857: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:41:28 PM

They're going to get implemented whether the NRA likes it or not, unless it's challenged and brought before the Supreme Court.

edited 22nd Jan '13 7:43:22 PM by Arkasas

OhnoaBear I'm back, baby. from Exiting, pursued by a... Since: Jan, 2011
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#47858: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:41:52 PM

All else about the gun-laws aside, is no one else worried about the proposals regarding documentation of people with mental illness?

As someone who stands a fair chance of ending up on such a list, I have to say much of what I've heard has me nervous about how such action could shift public perception of the mentally ill.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#47859: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:43:36 PM

[up]

as opposed to currently where the mentally ill for the most part are ignored and left to fall between the cracks and die?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47860: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:45:51 PM

What constitutes "mentally ill?"

If it's just a "We think you're too dangerous to have a gun," kinda thing, fine. If it leads to an arrest, then we have a problem.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47861: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:46:01 PM

So the mentally ill should just be ignored or go through their lives untreated? That's a horrible idea.

[up]Logically you would only get arrested if you have a gun after being certified that you're not in the right state of mind to own one.

edit: Did it ever occur to you that if they had more income from taxes they might have money to fix the fucking road?

edited 22nd Jan '13 7:48:02 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47862: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:48:09 PM

Let's say that paranoid gun-owning CEO is charged as mentally ill. What, are they gonna try to arrest him and he ends up killing a few cops?

[up] What a pinhead.

edited 22nd Jan '13 7:48:39 PM by Serocco

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#47863: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:51:05 PM

I'm not saying that there isn't room for change in the way we approach our dealings with the mentally ill, quite the opposite. There is a huge amount of room for compassionate and effective reform regarding the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness.

But what I have heard on the radio every morning and on the TV each night are reports that constantly link the cataloging of the mentally ill to the gun issue, and that unsettles me. Too much of that can lead to a stigma of all mentally ill people as violent "psychos" that we have done a great deal to try and fight in the past, but very few seem to be fighting now.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47864: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:53:04 PM

So what do you think should be done instead?

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#47865: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:54:15 PM

No idea. I'm bright enough to spot the trend, not so bright to have a good solution at nearly eleven on a work night.

I was bringing it here to see what ya'll may think for that reason.

edited 22nd Jan '13 7:54:40 PM by OhnoaBear

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#47866: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:55:14 PM

A screening to make sure a gun doesn't end up in the hands of someone likely to use the gun badly is sensible. Changing society's view of the mentally ill in general is an issue that healthcare legislation is better equipped to handle than gun legislation. Though Obama clearly stated in that plan ways to improve mental health care in order to ensure gun safety. It's like two birds with one stone right there.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#47867: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:55:42 PM

I wouldn't mind if it was kept in a closed database that wasn't accessible, but then again, I support keeping a database for physical health stuff too. It just seems like a good idea.

As for how to relate from a closed database to barring them from owning guns, maybe we could flag certain sorts of illness, and they could search for whether or not the person in question has any flags.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47868: Jan 22nd 2013 at 7:56:31 PM

Well I do think keeping guns out of the hands of people that are paranoid or schizophrenic would be a good idea. We'd have to define specific disorders that could make people more prone to violence or not thinking clearly rather than just saying mental illness.

edited 22nd Jan '13 7:57:40 PM by Kostya

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#47869: Jan 22nd 2013 at 8:06:31 PM

If you'll notice, none of Obamas suggestions include magazine limits (which were tried, and failed to effect crime) or bans on cosmetic additions of rifles (the assault weapons ban, which failed on several fronts) or declaring specific rifles illegal (which wouldn't do any thing else the assault weapons ban failed to do). Hence why I didn't specifically object to those things.

The only one I really object to is the terrorist watch list one, because the terrorist watch list is a bad thing to use for anything right now. If it were improved to the point of being a useful list, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47870: Jan 22nd 2013 at 8:42:56 PM

Assault weapons ban failed how? Your last comment about it indicated that it was more pointless than anything else.

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#47871: Jan 22nd 2013 at 8:54:58 PM

It failed because it was pointless, and presumably weakened the economy on top of that.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47872: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:00:35 PM

That part about the economy is pretty important. If you don't count Lewinski, Clinton is remembered for having a better economy than Bush.

I'm sure that's only part of the story.

edited 22nd Jan '13 9:00:54 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#47873: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:14:21 PM

What exactly is the content of Obama's gun violence package?

edited 22nd Jan '13 9:24:08 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#47874: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:20:51 PM

Had to back a few pages to find it (Page 1898), but http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/16/here-are-the-23-executive-orders-on-gun-safety-signed-today-by-the-president/

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#47875: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:38:48 PM

The Clinton-era assault weapons bill had no real effect on crime or the economy. It was basically just a band-aid over the top of the rampant crime of the late 80s and early 90s (as the cold war ended, illegal drug and weapon trafficking was big business).

Feinstein's new AWB proposal really just the Clinton Era ban gone haywire, as it again will not do much to stop crime. Magazine size capacity, for instance, does little when you can just carry more magazines.

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