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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
... I am seriously considering dropping this thread off my watchlist to save myself the massive headaches that I get from discovering just how fucked up many things in the US government and political systems are, a lot of which is stuff that I probably would never have expected/suspected.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.![]()
No would most people, as Congress kept those amendments on the down low. They weren't debated on the floor, for one thing.
Yes, it just keeps getting worse. This is democracy, American style.
edited 17th Jan '13 1:17:53 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Longer than that, the agency that became the ATF was created during the Prohibition. When Prohibition was repealed, the agency was then tasked with handling illegal firearms more or less in order for them to keep their jobs. It's historically never been a well-liked agency, and the laws over the past many decades have generally been made to reflect this.
Glove and Boots is good for Blog!Indeed. Who needs to inspect gun dealers, am I right? We can just trust them to not knowingly sell weapons to people who use them to commit crimes. We can just trust them to keep accurate inventories.
We don't need any research on the effects and causes of gun violence. Just take the NRA's word for it; after all, they have the greatest interest in making sure that everyone in this country uses guns safely and responsibly.
In fact, why not just let the NRA handle everything gun-related in this country? A non-transparent, non-government agency with no conflicts of interest in the matter whatsoever.
If you need Sarcasm Mode tags to read all of this, you have problems.
edited 17th Jan '13 1:21:39 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
States rights and all. Some states are more fast and loose with rules, while others are pretty stringent. There's not much need for the ATF to inspect California gun vendors, for instance, as the CA DOJ is pretty regular in their inspections (of the "every two weeks, someone shows up at exactly the same time" sort of regular visit).
The NRA makes some stupid moves, but they've also been the only large pro-gun group that's been actively making moves for safety when dealing with firearms. NRA safety courses and safe handling instructions, etc. etc.
edited 17th Jan '13 1:29:22 PM by DevilTakeMe
Glove and Boots is good for Blog!Other than California, and the BATF before we cut off its balls. Private industries cannot be trusted to self-regulate. It's a simple fact that is amply demonstrated by history.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"God help us all. God help all US Americans, too, for they're the ones suffering from the grave misdeeds of their own fellow countrymen.
What did Benjamin Franklin say about this? Oh yes: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.If you mean Vendors, yes, by all means have more Law Enforcement Agents (doesn't necessarily mean ATF, again, States might have their own agencies for that task) inspect and check up on Licensees more often. Require an FFL for most private party transactions, who makes the background check. It's a very simple process.
The resources are already there, it's just a matter of using them the right way.
Glove and Boots is good for Blog!Fighteer, I think the ESRB would like a word with you...
Anyway, here's a breakdown of the demographics around opposition/support of the new gun policies.
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That doesn't mean all industries can do that and it doesn't mean their regulations are particularly useful.
So what do you all say about this?
I suppose it's logical enough.
Yeah. And I'm not sure the ESRB is a shining example either. Or the Hay's Code? Or the MPIAA...or the RIAA? In fact, I think all of them have done pretty FUCKING TERRIBLY at their jobs. (Though it usually ends up being "too draconian" rather than "not draconian enough." It's odd that we have more "moral hazard" around music, movies, and games than we do around WEAPONS.)
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The reason superheroes are so popular is because they were one of the few genres that could clear the CCA. War, horror, crime, etc. all died off.
It comes from the mentality that the guns can't possibly be to blame therefore the environment is the problem. While I agree media could possibly influence people to be criminals it doesn't make it easy for them to get guns. That's the fault of our own culture and if you look at Britain or Japan you can tell this easily.
The biggest issue in the whole debate is that many of the sides have been suggesting a myopic view on violence, trying to single out different things, rather than the larger encompassing view. The NRA is dumb for claiming that video games and movies are the reason for violence, others for the guns widely available, etc. etc.
Absolutely does all media play into this, not just movies or video games, but this includes the news, which has been including dramatic images and music more and more
as time has gone on. It seems subtle enough because we are so desensitized to how news and information is being conveyed that we sort of forget that just reading the text of news often doesn't convey much emotion on its own.
(Also, getting passed around lately is this clip from UK personality Charlie Brooker's Newswipe
on how a shooting in Germany created a mass media frenzy, which looks very similar to how recent events have been portrayed.)
edited 17th Jan '13 2:23:35 PM by DevilTakeMe
Glove and Boots is good for Blog!

Yes, just as it is illegal for the BATF to create a federal registry of gun transactions, require gun dealers to conduct inventories, or keep them from selling guns to obviously intoxicated people. This was on The Daily Show last night. [1]
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Also, the BATF's enforcement staff has been fixed at 2,500 for 30 years... something like that. All of the laws that accomplished these things were inserted as riders into other legislation by Congressmen in the pay of the NRA.
edited 17th Jan '13 1:10:41 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"