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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#47326: Jan 16th 2013 at 12:57:21 PM

@Kostya:...I'm seriously getting anxious and mad.

Ugh, I should just go to sleep, but still, fricking annoyed about horrible things that keep happening

edited 16th Jan '13 12:57:59 PM by SpookyMask

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47327: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:03:50 PM

[up]Sorry about that.

From the WSJ article:

This post ignores cost of living differences. Making 200k in new York converts to around 50k in Midwest dollars. In new York avg apt is 4x the price of natl home avg. so article not as silly as seems.

I find this hard to believe but I have no real way of knowing. Anybody in New York able to enlighten me?

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#47328: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:06:02 PM

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That may be true, but it also ignores the tiny ;little issue that even if i9t costs more to live in NYC, that doesnt matter to tax laws who see 200k vs 50k.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#47329: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:06:23 PM

In Missouri, it will be a felony to follow federal law.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#47330: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:07:21 PM

How is that going to stand up in court? You can't just ignore federal law.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#47331: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:09:05 PM

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Told you. My state is ran by idiots.

Utter, reprehensible jingoistic idiots.

edited 16th Jan '13 1:11:05 PM by Midgetsnowman

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#47332: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:16:18 PM

... I'm going to assume that Missouri's legislators aren't trying to ultimately threaten/instigate a one-state secession in a similar manner to the CSA's founding states, whose defiance of federal authority on the slavery issue ultimately led to the Civil War breaking out.

That said... The same state is trying to pass a bill that would give guns to classroom teachers. <Face Palm>

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#47333: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:25:28 PM

[up][up]Where in the state are you? I'm in the KC area.

Got to love the people who belive in creationism and, at the same time, use radiation treatments to cure their relitive's cancer and wear lazer-made eye glasses. You know, the same technology that points to the Earth being MUCH older than 6,000 years old and provides all the evidence of evolution. I just can't wrap my head around that logic.

(...please don't start an argument on that here. I WILL ignore it and this is the wrong thread anyway. I am just trying to provide a bit of support)

Anyway, I don't see the point of some of those executive orders, but I also don't see anything, outside of more background checks and easier access to that information, that would directly effect the sale of weapons.

As a side note, the easy sale of "assault weapons" quite possibly effects Mexico and the War on Drugs more than the US. The drugs come from Mexico and the guns come from the US.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47334: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:28:13 PM

I wish the government could arrest anybody who votes for that bill without an armed revolt being started. We need these idiots out of office.

Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#47335: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:38:39 PM

Man, nothing good seems to be coming out of my home state.

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#47336: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:52:43 PM

As New Yorker I guess I can clear some misinformation up. Rent of an apartment is around 1000+ a month. So people spend about 12,000+ on rent a year not counting other expenses. On a 50,000 a year salary, it is a little more than 1/5 of money. So yes 100,000 a year would be in the middle class.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#47337: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:53:39 PM

The IRA, Taliban, Drug Cartels, and the Viet Cong are proof that being better armed doesn't mean instant victory.

Not only that, but one assumes you're going to have a whole lot more insurrection within your own military and law enforcement when you tell them to hunt down and shoot their own citizens en masse.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47338: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:54:00 PM

[up][up]Interesting but their point is that people in New York make more money on average. Are the figures presented in that graphic accurate in any way?

[up]Part of the problem with Vietnam and such is the terrain. Jungles and deserts are incredibly hard to fight in. The US has a lot of infrastructure so getting to locations would be easy. There's also less land to hide out on. I'm not saying the government wouldn't have trouble but I highly doubt we'd ever actually win.

edited 16th Jan '13 1:56:06 PM by Kostya

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#47339: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:54:37 PM

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Depends. There was very little dissent within the British Army during the suppression of the IRA rebellion.

edited 16th Jan '13 1:54:56 PM by Achaemenid

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#47340: Jan 16th 2013 at 1:58:06 PM

Why can't we just tax the fucking guns and ammo?

I can get down with this.

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#47341: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:01:58 PM

There are people within the military and Law Enforcement communities, like the Oathkeepers, who refused to confiscate guns during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina based on their oath to the defend the Constitution, and not follow unjust orders. "Just following orders" has historically not been a proper defense against judicial inquiry later on.

Not everyone in the military knows or understands this, obviously, so it's very difficult to see how that would play out.

edited 16th Jan '13 2:02:53 PM by DevilTakeMe

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#47342: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:10:41 PM

One of my Facebook friends has kind of gone off the deep end with some of the loonier ideas about gun control, but he posted one picture that bears mentioning...

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#47343: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:12:13 PM

Of course, malpractice will happen regardless of what healthcare system we're using.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#47344: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:12:57 PM

Why can't we just tax the fucking guns and ammo?
Wait, so the US government taxes basic livelihood necessities like food, but doesn't tax commercially-available firearms and munitions? WTH is wrong with their priorities?

edited 16th Jan '13 2:13:21 PM by MarqFJA

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#47345: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:13:07 PM

[up][up][up]And how many deaths are there from not having healthcare?

[up][up]And that.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#47346: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:19:46 PM

I know (and I've mentioned before that I support healthcare). Consider it a "dumbass kinda has a point" in regard to scale, perspective, and proportionate effort for oversight.

Other than the assault weapons bit, the rest of the exec actions look good.

edited 16th Jan '13 2:21:31 PM by Pykrete

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#47347: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:22:48 PM

[up][up][up] I think they mean a dedicated tax on those things and not a blanket sales tax. It's been tried a few times, and very few places have ever managed to get it to work, since it's often seen as a block to the free expression of the 2nd amendment.

A little give and take, I think there was a place in Oregon or Washington or thereabouts that had required the purchase of certain approved gun locks and gun safes, but at the same time, could not charge a sales tax on them at the same time.

I think I had suggested that it could be done, so long as the money was ear-marked for funding the healthcare system related to the mentally ill or the healthcare of those people injured in firearm related incidents, and not as blanket revenue collecting.

Illinois' Cook county (meaning chicago) had thought about a "Violence Tax" for this end, but dropped the part on ammunition and I think they settled on gun levies, with the money going to healthcare.

edited 16th Jan '13 2:25:09 PM by DevilTakeMe

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47348: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:29:15 PM

Pyrkete: I fail to see how medical malpractice is in any way connected to Obamacare. Doesn't the law make it easier to sue for that anyway?

Also I'd like to know the source on that and whether or not they're advocating never going to the doctor because that's what they seem to be saying.

Marq: No I mean a dedicated tax that hikes ammo and guns and nothing else. We have them for cigarettes so why not guns?

Also I don't think all food is taxed but I could be wrong.

Septimus: That's another point. I believe the amount of people without care was in the 50 million range. I'd love to know how many died from that. I bet the number dwarfs the 200k figure they have.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47349: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:29:48 PM

That sounds like a job for Politifact. My guess is that it'd be a Mostly False, because I'm *guessing* they're not actually counting actual malpractice, but just all fatalities that result from surgery. You have to remember, surgery is by its very nature invasive, and shit goes wrong-not necssarily because "AWMFG OBAMACARE" but because some dudes are cutting you open with knives.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#47350: Jan 16th 2013 at 2:32:37 PM

I am positively sure you can ask them to review that thing.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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