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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#47026: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:50:33 PM

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True, but previous presidents have been killed by "some random dude with a gun".

@Ace

Well its the Texas Supreme Court. That makes it political.

edited 12th Jan '13 8:51:39 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#47027: Jan 12th 2013 at 9:02:06 PM

[up]But JFK is the most recent, with plenty of people around who remember it. Plus there's the entirely superficial reason of people liking JFK more then Mc Kinley or Garfield (maybe not Lincoln, but that was way back there). Add in some good old Cold War paranoia for good measure. So, they stick to him more then others.

boop
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#47028: Jan 12th 2013 at 9:58:15 PM

I think its because the assassination of a president is a very big deal, and people are just unsatisfied with "some random dude with a gun".

Killing a president is not something that happens often. Killing 2 members of a political dynasty as they are about to be elected (kennedy second term and Robert president) is a little bit suspecious.

There´s a proverb that says "where there is smoke, there is fire".

edited 12th Jan '13 10:00:27 PM by Baff

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#47029: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:10:50 PM

Garfield and Mc Kinley both died more from trying to remove the bullet than the actual shot. In modern medicine rest assured they would've lived and that Guiteau would just be a John Hinckley and the anarchist who shot Mc Kinley would be a laughing stock.

Kennedy and Lincoln both were pretty much doomed from the shots they got in the head,no modern advances could've saved them.

And both of them were succeeded by a Democrat named Johnson

And the assassins both were in a storage area and theater and killed off before being put to trial.

Not sure what happened to Guiteau,but the anarchist got the electric chair,that's just not interesting.

Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#47031: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:14:02 PM

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There is no telling if Robert Kennedy could have beaten Herbert H. Humphrey and Eugene Mc Carthy in the Democratic Primary even if he hadn't been assassinated.

That being said I could see Nixon or LBJ being willing to knock off a potential Spanner in the Works .

edited 12th Jan '13 10:16:45 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#47032: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:18:54 PM

Oh yea.

I also forgot that they kill the guy that killed kennedy.

Men, no wonder everyone thinks it was a conspiracy.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:19:03 PM by Baff

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#47033: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:36:08 PM

[up] It certainly doesn't help that JFK had a truck load of enemies.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#47034: Jan 12th 2013 at 11:31:08 PM

I think all the interest in the Kennedy assassination comes largely from the fact that it was broadcast live on TV; for people from that generation, that makes it a pretty memorable event, and the more interested people are in something the more they obsess over every little thing about it.

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Lost in Space
#47035: Jan 13th 2013 at 8:14:26 AM

Sorry to distract everyone from this fascinating discussion of assassination conspiracy theories, but Krugman just dropped an interesting tidbit in his blog today.

Meanwhile, I get calls. The White House insists that it is absolutely, positively not going to cave or indeed even negotiate over the debt ceiling — that it rejected the coin option as a gesture of strength, as a way to put the onus for avoiding default entirely on the GOP.

If this is true, it means that there are some actual brains operating in the Oval Office, and they're putting on a show for the media. I can only hope.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47036: Jan 13th 2013 at 8:22:03 AM

...

Why would they say this to Krugman? It's clear he can't keep quiet about it.

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Lost in Space
#47037: Jan 13th 2013 at 8:27:42 AM

Because they can't say it themselves but want to reassure us through back channels? I'm puzzled, too.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#47038: Jan 13th 2013 at 8:46:24 AM

Or it could be misdirection... Or pretending that it's misdirection... Or pretending to pretend that it's misdirection... Or...

Yeah, you get the idea.

edited 13th Jan '13 8:46:55 AM by MarqFJA

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#47039: Jan 13th 2013 at 8:53:52 AM

The only question one needs to ask about the assassinations of both JFK and RFK, and the question one needs to ask about all crimes is this:

"Cui Bono." Who benefited?

Who had most to gain by having the crime carried out and who gained the most benefit from the crime when it was carried out, which, in the end, is pretty easy to point out.

The man who became the 36th President of the United States of America.

Lyndon Baines Johnson.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#47040: Jan 13th 2013 at 8:59:28 AM

Relying on cui bono is a logical fallacy.

edited 13th Jan '13 8:59:38 AM by MarqFJA

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#47041: Jan 13th 2013 at 9:22:34 AM

Worked for Marcus Tullius Cicero. And he had a far less obvious patsy to defend.

See this for details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Milone

Roman law was far more cutthroat, in all senses of the word, than our system of laws.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47042: Jan 13th 2013 at 10:36:36 AM

Re: Krugman getting contacted by the Obama staff:

TBH, to me, it sounds like "C'mon, they'll cave THIS time. After all, they can't get anything out of it because we're not going to negotiate!"

It sounds desperate to me. But I hope they know what they're doing. For once.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#47043: Jan 13th 2013 at 11:23:50 AM

The White house loves to leak stuff when its convenient.

This is their way of saying "Hell Nah!" (lol, I know it isnt funny but I had to do it)

They are signaling that they have reached their breaking point, but they dont want to sound like they are being stuborn so they just want the media to talk about it before they do it themselves. Lets hope this interpretation (mine) is accurate. They have negotiated too many stuff away already.

edited 13th Jan '13 11:25:31 AM by Baff

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Vampire Hunter
#47044: Jan 13th 2013 at 12:40:53 PM

The problem the Democrats face is that they have to paint themselves as being willing to compromise so they have to take methods that would allow for compromise.

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#47045: Jan 13th 2013 at 12:55:27 PM

The last time we had a debt ceiling crisis, it resulted in a credit downgrade for the US government - explicitly stated to be because of the politicians trying to use the debt ceiling as a haggling point. I'm thinking the White House is trying to cut off a second such potential disaster before it starts.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#47046: Jan 13th 2013 at 1:28:13 PM

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anbd the funny thing is, despite explicitly saying what the downgrade was for, those responsible blamed it on Obama anyhow.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#47047: Jan 13th 2013 at 1:39:16 PM

Powell: GOP has 'a dark vein of intolerance'

Senator Manchin (D-WV): Gun efforts should focus on culture of ‘mass violence’

The only question one needs to ask about the assassinations of both JFK and RFK, and the question one needs to ask about all crimes is this:

"Cui Bono." Who benefited?

Who had most to gain by having the crime carried out and who gained the most benefit from the crime when it was carried out, which, in the end, is pretty easy to point out.

Under this logic, Theodore Roosevelt was behind Mc Kinley's assassination because he had the most to gain.

edited 13th Jan '13 1:43:50 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#47048: Jan 13th 2013 at 1:44:33 PM

[up]He was known for killing various things. Though, he probably would have done it himself, Most Dangerous Game style.

boop
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#47049: Jan 13th 2013 at 1:47:44 PM

It would not surprise me that Teddy's political enemies might have thought of such, considering they specifically wanted him in the VP seat so he couldn't keep busting their corruption. So when he became President...

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#47050: Jan 13th 2013 at 1:51:36 PM

Representative Blackburn 'astounded' by level of violence in 'Call of Duty' video game

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