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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#46901: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:09:06 AM

Also, Shawcross noted, "The administration does not support blowing up planets."
I give it 3 days tops and someone will claim that they are "weak and liberal" because of that!

edited 12th Jan '13 8:11:45 AM by 3of4

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46902: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:09:35 AM

Honestly I think home schooling should be illegal

Its just part of a grand effort by many sectors to abolish public school.

Like they did with U.S colleges.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#46903: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:11:07 AM

In what way are US colleges being abolished?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#46904: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:12:17 AM

Hey, I wonder if this Death Star petition will be followed with a Stargate Program petition.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46905: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:13:31 AM

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privatised. As in, you abolish public higher education.

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I am sure N.A.S.A and U.S.A.F have at some point looked into it.

edited 12th Jan '13 8:13:59 AM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#46906: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:15:03 AM

[up]What about state schools?

Okay, was this out of context? If not then god damn...

edited 12th Jan '13 8:15:18 AM by Kostya

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#46907: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:15:21 AM

I am sure the Stargate petition will come as soon as someone discovers negative matter, 'coz it's the prerequisite for making Stargates.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#46908: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:16:15 AM

@ Baff:

Well, there was a Stargate Project — an investigation (because the Soviets did it first) into using Psychic Powers for Military Intelligence.

I just hope you don't ask the same question of the British Education System*

edited 12th Jan '13 8:18:21 AM by Greenmantle

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46909: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:17:18 AM

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Mostly, they are public in name only and depend on corporate donors who will pull the plog if they dare to investigate inconvenient things.

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But it seems we already did!

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Funny enough. I was thinking about that. If they tried psychic powers then why not an interdimensional portal?

edited 12th Jan '13 8:20:01 AM by Baff

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#46910: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:42:25 AM

...But that's not negative mater... Negative matter is matter with negative mass. That's matter with negative temperature.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46911: Jan 12th 2013 at 9:53:57 AM

[up] it mimics dark energy... I guess I got confused.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
#46912: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:16:10 AM

So, I quit this thread because it burned too much of my time and emotional resources but I dropped in briefly and saw this on the last page...

Honestly I think home schooling should be illegal. Private schooling is one thing but home schooling strikes me as incredibly stupid for the reasons mentioned. Does the public school system need reform? Hell yes, but that doesn't mean you should be allowed to take your child out of the system. In my experience kids need school. It helps them adjust to society and normalize their behavior. It also gives them a way to escape from their parents if they're raving lunatics.

Really, Kostya? That's pretty ignorant and offensive. I expect better of you. "In your experience?" What experience do you have on the subject?

I was homeschooled for my entire life, and like millions of others in the United States I am not emotionally unstable, crazy, or ignorant. Few to no studies have indicated that homeschooled students fare worse in any respect than public school students, and many studies have indicated that they fare better. It is not OK to try to illegalize someone's way of life based on nothing but your completely unjustified personal biases, especially when your personal biases are not only unjustified but are in in direct contradiction with reality.

Sorry if that sounded a little harsh, but you're perpetuating an extremely hurtful and false stereotype about and openly advocating for the repression of a social group I am part of, which demands a rather strong response.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:21:18 AM by EdwardsGrizzly

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46913: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:26:17 AM

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its a pretty bad thing do.

Regardless of the possitive experience some might have had with it.

and in fact its illegal in most countries. I personally dont know of any example besides the U.S

edited 12th Jan '13 10:27:05 AM by Baff

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46914: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:30:03 AM

I have to agree with Grizzly here. I was home-schooled up through highschool for the same of education. I spent my childhood in a town in upstate NY, like far...upstate. The town's economy was based on two things-Prisons, and Tourism. I can say with full confidence that if I were not homeschooled, I would have ended up far worse than I did. It allowed me to peruse my own interests, and learn about the things I wanted to learn about. It's not for everyone, and I can see it easily going bad with a different type of parents, but it also has the potential to give a kid a far better education than they would get otherwise.

However, I ended up with a good education. Without boasting, I can say I was in the top of my class in High School. If I had gone into school in the underfunded and badly anti-intellectual schools of my old town, I wouldn't have ended up nearly as well educated as I did.

[up] Explain how it's always a bad thing. I've met people homeschooled for religious reasons, and yes, they were kinda screwed up. But that's not always the case.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:33:35 AM by DrTentacles

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46915: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:38:33 AM

Because homeschooling erodes independ tought and has a high chance of fucking up the people that live under such regime.

Not saying you guys are an example, but I personally know some, and how I wish I could save them!

[up] also I dint say it was a bad thing for everyone. Just a bad thing overall.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:41:04 AM by Baff

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#46916: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:40:33 AM

its a pretty bad thing do.

Regardless of the possitive experience some might have had with it.

Show me studies that indicates that homeschooled students fare worse on average in any respect than public school students to counter those that indicate that they fare far better. Until you do that, you are talking a load of extremely offensive crap.

and in fact its illegal in most countries. I personally dont know of any example besides the U.S

Yes, in other nations horrible injustices like this happen. Things that that should never, ever happen and any views that could lead to it happening in the US should be immediately and strongly condemned.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:43:14 AM by EdwardsGrizzly

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#46917: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:42:41 AM

homeschooling erodes independing tought and has a high chance of fucking up the people that live under such regime.

That claim has no basis in fact, despite any unpleasant personal experience you may have had. There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that people in the public school system have a lower rate of such unfortunate outcomes.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46918: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:42:51 AM

Wasn't prohibiting Home Schooling the plot of the sequel to The Graduate?

<Read it on Cracked>

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46919: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:43:03 AM

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its a captive population

You cant really conduct much studyng of their condition.

Besides, fathers shouldnt have an all powerful perrogative over their children´s future. Its quite a destructive thing.

If anything, perhaps a mix system would be in order. But 100%homeschooling flies against logic. Its a very dangerous intitution with a wide margin for abuse.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:44:18 AM by Baff

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46920: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:45:00 AM

I think school does just as much eroding of independent thought. Until I got to college, neither of the two high schools I went to taught me to think for myself. You weren't encouraged to debate the teacher, or go out and learn things for yourself. You were supposed to sit there, shut up, and absorb information.

Ironically, when I was home schooled, my father forced me into mock-Socratic debates over what we learned. I hated it at the time, but looking back, I've grown grateful for it. I was encouraged to think of different possible explanations for things we've learned, or one of us would play Devil's Advocate, trying to properly (non-straw-manning) defend various viewpoints.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#46921: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:46:54 AM

Has anybody any evidence about the effects of homeschooling? Edwards is right that we can't make claims without evidence.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
#46922: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:47:40 AM

its a captive population

This is false. The vast majority of homeschool families engage with their community just like everyone else.

You cant really conduct much studyng of their condition.

So because you don't know much about it you fear it and try to destroy it? That is the very definition of bigotry.

Besides, fathers shouldnt have an all powerful perrogative over their children´s future. Its quite a destructive thing.

You are still making totally baseless statements that express your own ignorance.

Again, I apologize for the harshness, but I hope any of you would respond in the same way to statements of this sort about some other social group you are more familiar with.

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46923: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:47:42 AM

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Yea. schools are not ideal either.

But at least in schools students some times are presented with ideas that run counter to their parents dogmatic beleives (or at least in the least retarded states of the union). If your parents happen to favour socratic thinking, then that does not speak of the merit of homeschooling as a system but the merit of your perents.

Your anecdotical evidence does not suffice to justify the risk 1000 of childrens are put under for abuse.

Schools are, after all, the main outlet, albeit not a good one but the main one nontheless, that effectively warns the community about child abusse.

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Its not destruction. Its regulation. And a mix system. You cant really study a population you cant sample freely.

and this is a reason on itself to doubt the validity of such institution.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:50:27 AM by Baff

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#46924: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:48:45 AM

Yeah, I don't know. I think that if we're going to allow homeschooling, then the kids should at least learn the same curriculum as the public schools. And there needs to be some sort of regulations involved to make sure that parents aren't just being lazy and/or teaching their kids crap.

I was homeschooled through part of middle school, and I was SO far behind when I went to high school, especially in science since my parents are hardcore anti-science Christian types. They were literally teaching me that "evolutionists" believed that geese evolved from barnacles, even though spontaneous evolution was disproven by Pasteur in the 1800s.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:49:13 AM by DrunkGirlfriend

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46925: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:50:02 AM

Everyone floating "Homeschooling should be prohibited" statements needs to come up with evidence to back their assertions. Otherwise, it's just wankery.


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