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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46826: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:21:31 PM

What are we-the tropers on this forum-supposed to do.

Right now, we have the ability to vote. What else do you recommend?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46827: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:23:41 PM

When I say "machine", I'm talking about the revolving door between politicians, defense contractors, corporations, lobbyists and generals.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:25:07 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46828: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:23:52 PM

Vote. Petition local officials. State Reps. Organize voting. That's the democrats biggest weakness. Primaries, and working on the local level. We need to improve that.

[up] I'm saying you can't fix that without slowly working for a general shift in US attitude toward those things, and the best way to achieve that is working on a local level, upward. We're at a tipping point right now.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:25:33 PM by DrTentacles

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#46829: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:24:36 PM

So hire people that want to change that! Explain to me how protesting will fix a damn thing if you don't hire people that are going to work on changing that. Standing on a street corner certainly doesn't.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46830: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:25:21 PM

You cannot elect people into office to do what you want when they're not going to if there's no financial incentive.

Unless, you know, you wanna find a way to stop printing money. That's really the main issue - the limitless money, the insatiable greed - but it's not going anywhere.

Unless the water levels continue to rise.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:27:34 PM by Serocco

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#46831: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:27:21 PM

To be fair, Serocco isn't the only one that has proposed ideas that might be wishful, but would not be easily achieved.

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46832: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:27:30 PM

[up][up] Look, I'm not saying it's perfect, or easy. But the best way to achieve what you're looking for is trying to elect people who, at least in theory, support those things. Sure, they might not start changing things the moment they step into office, but if you keep pushing them in that direction as a voter, over time things will change.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:27:51 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46833: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:28:59 PM

Look at how the media demonized Occupy Wall Street. They weren't able to accomplish much with the police, the politicians and the reporters all arraying against them.

Do you really expect the establishment to just bow their heads and heel if we yell at them loud enough?

edited 11th Jan '13 4:31:24 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46834: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:31:22 PM

Yes, actually. It just won't happen as fast as you want.

Sure, Occupy died. But it succeeded in bring issues such as the rampant corporatism into light, and contributed into the slow, gradual shift in American attitude which is ongoing.

Change. Takes. Time. It's a process.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:31:50 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46835: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:32:41 PM

Do you even know what the schedules are for the typical politician in America?

I'm not exaggerating when I say that they spend half their days just fundraising.

Often times, they literally don't know what they're saying, and the lobbyists are the ones that write the laws for them.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:33:42 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46836: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:34:01 PM

Not sure how that is relevant. They're not fundraising for the fun of it. They're fundraising so they can get their message out.

And sure. But I see that changing, with the internet making it easier for the public to be informed on those issues.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:34:49 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46837: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:36:25 PM

It's relevant because it proves that money is the only thing they listen to.

edited 11th Jan '13 4:36:31 PM by Serocco

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46838: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:36:30 PM

Serocco, what do the people on the ground do? You have a lot of wisdom about what needs to change, but zero on how to change it.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#46839: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:38:20 PM

[up] Obviously we all need to get filthy rich and bribe politicians to do stuff we want. Duh. tongue

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46840: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:39:38 PM

Well, there's one idea.

Wolf-Pac.com by Cenk Uygur.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#46841: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:41:22 PM

[up] Honestly, he should have picked a better name for it. All I can think of when I hear "wolf pac" is the old NWO stuff on WCW.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46842: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:45:27 PM

I mentioned that the Wolf-Pac guys already convinced a politician from Texas to introduce a bill that calls for a constitutional convention.

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#46843: Jan 11th 2013 at 4:46:03 PM

Let's not be too harsh on Serocco. Like I said, we've had cases before in this thread where people have shared their ideal visions, sometimes radical ones. We have (various) ideas like these: it might not always be realistic that it happens, and we don't always know how to get there even if we have a idea how to maintain it. Maybe it's just expressing our thoughts, and venting about the current problems.

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46844: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:07:53 PM

[up] Yeah. Sorry. A pet peeve of mine is when democratic principles/idealism keeps us from playing ball to actually get those ideals put in practice.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#46845: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:26:49 PM

And don't say "stage a violent overthrow of the US government"

Or at least leave a hello and some funny pictures for the NSA guys in the Utah Data Center when you say it and their red flags light up. I mean come on, people, it's courtesy.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46846: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:29:40 PM

Removing money from politics is the only realistic solution.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46847: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:31:55 PM

Again-how do citizens do that.

I mean, I'd like to remove money from politics but we have no clue how to get there.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46848: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:33:41 PM

Wolf-Pac calls for a constitutional convention.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#46849: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:33:48 PM

Well, I applaud the thinking for this attempt, but the judge squirmed around it.

EDIT: the hyphenator abides, check the URL.

edited 11th Jan '13 5:34:06 PM by Pykrete

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46850: Jan 11th 2013 at 5:35:41 PM

What's Wolf-Pac's progress been looking like?


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