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#46777: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:32:05 PM

[up][up] Yeah. Voting no on the proposition means they want the bridge to get built.

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QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#46778: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:37:41 PM

This bridge story bugs me.

That the Ontarian government want to build a bridge without even being sure that the other side wants the bridge is, well, an interesting decision to say the least.

Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#46779: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:39:57 PM

[up]Maybe they just figured "Hey, who in their right minds would pass up a free bridge?"

boop
QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#46780: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:42:36 PM

They should've made a bridge to Montreal then, we would've killed for a free bridge.

(I know Windsor and Montreal are far from each other. It's a joke because we are having trouble getting a new bridge done in Montreal)

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#46781: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:46:14 PM

Well, presumably there's a pay off in it for them, in the form of Canadian jobs building it from their side, and increasing commerce on both sides of the border. As well as the fact that the current bridge is old and it's just sensible to maintain or build new infrastructure instead of letting what's there crumble into uselessness.

The state of our infrastructure has been coming up more often lately.

edited 10th Jan '13 6:46:50 PM by AceofSpades

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#46782: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:51:36 PM

You guys are having infrastructure problems too south of the border?

Funny you mention it, Montreal*

is shoulder deep in constructions. In fact, I think it was last summer or the summer before, but we had a tunnel that partially collapsed.

It just goes to show that some renovations are more needed than others.

edited 10th Jan '13 6:52:04 PM by QuestionMarc

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#46783: Jan 10th 2013 at 6:51:48 PM

The bridges tend to have horrible lines, at least the four in the Niagara region.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46784: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:04:19 PM

This bridge story bugs me. That the Ontarian government want to build a bridge without even being sure that the other side wants the bridge is, well, an interesting decision to say the least.

Easy. They want to increase commerce. This is not an altruistic move but one that benefits Canada.

By creating a bridge where you have to pay a lower toll (because its not own by a cartoonishly evil billionaire) then commerce gets a stimulus.

The bridge will pay itself over time.

Plus they are worried that the Ambassador bridge is too old and that if anything happened to it, or if it had to be closed for repairing then it would hurt their economy.

edited 10th Jan '13 7:06:10 PM by Baff

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#46785: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:05:02 PM

A lot of our major bridges are old and in need of repair or just plain replacing. Same things with roads in general. It was one of the things Obama mentioned during his campaign, during spiels about American jobs.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46786: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:07:41 PM

[up]

Sure. There is also the concept or redundancy.

Its never a good thing to depend on ONE crucial piece of infrastructure. Alternatives should be built when the cost benefit analysis determines it.

This is an obvious case since it involves trade between 2 countries.

edited 10th Jan '13 7:10:47 PM by Baff

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QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#46787: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:10:49 PM

@ Baff: I get that, but why are they not waiting for Michigan's approval?

In a way, it should be a formality, but surprisingly they got voted down. Bleh, maybe the state will change its mind.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46788: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:12:03 PM

The proposition was to block the bridge. The proposition failed. ERGO, the bridge was not blocked by the people.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46789: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:14:05 PM

[up][up]

Well... they where.

You dont just build a bridge into a another country without asking for permission.

There was just a group that wanted to stop it trough an initiative that failed.

edited 10th Jan '13 7:14:56 PM by Baff

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#46790: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:21:07 PM

Therefor we can assume the plans for the bridge will go forth. Though it's probably that rich guy that owns the current bridge probably has other ideas to try and stop it or to gain control of the new bridge. Let's hope the citizens have learned that lesson and make the bridge stay public property. Or... since it's Canada paying for it it's Canadian property. I don't know.

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#46791: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:35:10 PM

[up][up] Oh, I thought we only just tried to get it approved.

My bad, mis-understood.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46792: Jan 10th 2013 at 7:38:18 PM

Peeps need to watch the vids yoz. Though I know that for those of you 'cross the pond, the daily show's website doesn't work.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#46793: Jan 10th 2013 at 8:23:09 PM

Wal-Mart is joining Arkansas' health care program.

Gonna need some clarification on how that one works.

Louisiana Governor Jindal proposes to eliminate all personal and corporate income taxes in the state's tax code.

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#46794: Jan 11th 2013 at 8:53:47 AM

Illegal kidnappings escalate under Obama.

What was that about "change" again?

edited 11th Jan '13 8:56:35 AM by Sledgesaul

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46795: Jan 11th 2013 at 11:09:07 AM

Oh Secret trials, CIA paramilitary operations, and suspended habbeas corp. (and torture, and terrorism, and sabotage...)

Making the United States a little bit more fascist since 2003.

edited 11th Jan '13 11:10:32 AM by Baff

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#46796: Jan 11th 2013 at 11:11:42 AM

This was happening before Bush. Obama is sadly just another data point in a larger trend. The executive branch seems to NEVER want to give up power it has obtained.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46797: Jan 11th 2013 at 11:13:06 AM

[up]

at least most of it used to be clandestine, and illigal.

And we used to have congressional hearings and every now and then somebody actually got in trouble.

edited 11th Jan '13 11:13:46 AM by Baff

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#46798: Jan 11th 2013 at 11:14:50 AM

[up] Well, it is still clandestine and illegal. We've just gotten better at jumping on leaks, and they haven't gotten any better at plugging them.

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#46799: Jan 11th 2013 at 11:19:45 AM

I'm not a fan of that stuff, either. I think it violates the Fourth Amendment. However, I have to consider the larger picture, and when it comes down to it, there's nothing to recommend the Republicans in this matter. If my choice is between evil and evil, then I look elsewhere for distinguishing factors.

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46800: Jan 11th 2013 at 11:22:14 AM

Problem is. Some of this people the CIA have torture and flawn around the world, and that have been put trough secret trials, ended up being innocent.

CIA 'tortured and sodomised' terror suspect, human rights court rules

In Afghanistan, Masri was incarcerated for more than four months in a small, dirty, dark concrete cell in a brick factory near the capital, Kabul, where he was repeatedly interrogated and was beaten, kicked and threatened. His repeated requests to meet with a representative of the German government were ignored, said the court.

edited 11th Jan '13 11:24:35 AM by Baff

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