TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#46526: Jan 7th 2013 at 6:50:43 PM

[up] Why does Christie have to make me agree with him?

Seriously, I think he responded about as well as a person can in that kind of situation.

edited 7th Jan '13 6:51:51 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46527: Jan 7th 2013 at 7:25:07 PM

I have a feeling that Hagel will turn into as much of a pro-Israel neocon as any other Republican Secretary of Defense.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#46528: Jan 7th 2013 at 7:28:53 PM

Why do the Israeli lobbies hate him so much?

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46529: Jan 7th 2013 at 7:29:33 PM

Because he's actually pragmatic enough to say something along the lines of "We're giving too much support to one country."

That "one country" is Israel. The only real issue is how he said "Jewish lobby" instead of "Israeli lobby".

edited 7th Jan '13 7:33:32 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#46530: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:03:27 PM

At least he can't be any worse than Rumsfeld or Cheney.

...... Admittedly that is some very faint praise.

And speaking of former Secretaries of Defense:

Robert Gates endorses Hagel

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46531: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:07:45 PM

Why do the Israeli lobbies hate him so much?

Because he said he would put the interst of the United States above that of the "jewish" lobby.

A statement which I would support if he had said "Israeli lobby" instead of "jewish lobby" but I do beleive him when he says he misspoke.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#46532: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:08:58 PM

Man, I like how everyone has spent the last couple pages just shitting all over America. I mean, I'm a fan of constructive criticism as much as the next guy, but going by the recent sentiment in this thread, America is nothing but a cesspool of greedy, psychotic, gun-toting racist social darwinist ubercapitalists.

Nah, just the ones in high places. We have a problem with rewarding sociopathy and failing to provide meaningful oversight and accountability in higher-end business and government operations.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#46533: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:49:58 PM

[up]

But that is what makes American politics interesting (in a train-wreck sorta way).

‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ dischargees to receive full back pay from DOD

Bank of America to pay Fannie Mae $10 billion in mortgage settlement

edited 7th Jan '13 8:51:59 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#46534: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:55:52 PM

Has anyone heard of the trillion dollar coin thing yet?

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46535: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:56:20 PM

Talking about United States politics, and how cartoonish it is , here:

Be Ready to Mint that Coin

Prizw Winner Paul Krugman Obama Must Get Ready to Mint the Trillion Dollar Coin

If this doesnt remind you of the Simpsons, then it should.

edited 7th Jan '13 9:00:30 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#46536: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:56:33 PM

[up]

Do we make them out of Diamond?

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46537: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:58:12 PM

[up]

No, just Platinum.

The price of the coin itself would not be above, what? less than 200 dollars or around that price.

edited 7th Jan '13 8:59:01 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46538: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:58:55 PM

FOR THE MOST PART, it's just to demonstrate how Das Retarded the Debt Ceiling is, and to give the president a constitutional way of bypassing said debt ceiling.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46539: Jan 7th 2013 at 8:59:46 PM

But since its Obama, they will not do it.

They will compromise.

After all, as I always say, democrats are paid losers. So we already know the outcome.

edited 7th Jan '13 8:59:58 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46540: Jan 7th 2013 at 9:02:33 PM

Eh, the fiscal cliff negotiations were a downside, but let's be frank: That went a LOT better than it could have.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46541: Jan 7th 2013 at 9:05:04 PM

[up] If thats what happens when democrats have levarage, I dont want to imagine what will happen now that they dont.

[up] I just wonder, if they minted it... who's face would get to be in that coin.

edited 7th Jan '13 9:06:17 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#46542: Jan 7th 2013 at 9:05:09 PM

[up][up]

Certainly went better than some people on this thread thought it would go.

[up]

I've read a dozen articles saying the White House has the upper hand, and another dozen saying the GOP has the better hand.

So basically, the media is divided and clueless. So nothing new.

edited 7th Jan '13 9:10:01 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46543: Jan 7th 2013 at 9:11:42 PM

Self Thump.

edited 7th Jan '13 9:20:17 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46544: Jan 7th 2013 at 9:15:15 PM

The gag line has been that Boehner's face will be on the coin.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46545: Jan 7th 2013 at 9:17:37 PM

self thump.

edited 7th Jan '13 9:19:36 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#46546: Jan 7th 2013 at 11:02:34 PM

Brennan has argued for signature strikes.

Those are when we use drones to attack people based on what they appear to be doing in the eyes of the drone operators.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#46547: Jan 8th 2013 at 4:06:44 AM

@ Jovian: I think the best things to be said about America are what it has managed to achieve in spite of the regressive aspects of our society. Take Braeburn's post. Those are achievements - achievements far too long in the coming, but still impressive achievements given the resistance they faced.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#46548: Jan 8th 2013 at 4:58:03 AM

That "one country" is Israel. The only real issue is how he said "Jewish lobby" instead of "Israeli lobby".
Which is an understandable mistake, given that Israel is explicitly established as "a country for the Jews", and I would be utterly surprised if the overwhelming majority of said lobby's membership wasn't Jewish.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#46549: Jan 8th 2013 at 5:28:53 AM

I would've preferred Morell over Brennan as Director of the CIA.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#46550: Jan 8th 2013 at 6:52:19 AM

@ Jovian: I think the best things to be said about America are what it has managed to achieve in spite of the regressive aspects of our society. Take Braeburn's post. Those are achievements - achievements far too long in the coming, but still impressive achievements given the resistance they faced.

America does have one of the highest living standards in the world and a very free press. It also used to have a claim of having one of the best civil liberties.

The foreign policy was always awful do.

Sadly enough, not only has foreign policy become more brazen about it's absolute disregard for International law and human rights, but civil rights in the United States are under assault and citizens are losing rights, instead of winning more rights.

So the overall image of the U.S can not be positive, and I think the public is wrong to adopt such an uncritical and self-congratulatory stance on what America does.

edited 8th Jan '13 7:11:50 AM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.

Total posts: 417,856
Top