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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Ace: Okay, what could it take to fulfill this seemingly herculean task, then?
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:14:34 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.A massive cultural shift in which the people elect politicians willing to vote on restructuring the government. Which is probably not going to happen soon.
Not that it's impossible. But it's more likely to happen on a state level rather than the Federal level.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:14:16 PM by AceofSpades
So we may need a Second Civil War to jumpstart things, then? Gah, how complicated.
On a side note, what became of the ACTA/CISPA/whatevertheyrecallitnow thing? It seems to have died off over the past year despite apparent threats/asserations from Senators that they are far from done with it, despite the mass protests.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Can't state governments refuse to fund Obamacare though? They're already opting out of the medicaid expansion.
Given the way some people are talking a second civil war isn't too far fetched.
It died down after being crushed. They'll probably spring it on us later when they think we're distracted.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:16:45 PM by Kostya
Plus, most people are too afraid of the Spoiler effect to vote for a third party.
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Considering the First Civil War failed to destroy the 2-Party System, I see no reason why a second one would succeed.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:19:45 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Perry's decision to take away funding from Planned Parenthood is meeting with some backlash. In any case, the exchange thing is just a database to help compare different health care companies, right? Doesn't seem like it would be that expensive to run as compared to other government expenditures.
Also, Marq, let's not talk about a second civil war. It's highly unlikely to happen. For one, the ones that would actually be for it aren't in the military, mostly, and don't have the kind of resources or support needed to stand up against the government if they try. At best, we'd have homegrown terrorist acts, and I doubt we'll get even that far because most of them are all bark.
Anyway, the whole government would have to collapse, not just have our country go to war.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:20:29 PM by AceofSpades
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It might change who's in power though.
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Then why did they object? I assumed they had to provide something in addition to the database. Even if that's all a database is probably expensive to run. It would probably be a better idea to set up a national one and have everyone in the country use it.
Lost or declined to run? I believe the latter has happened but if the former has I haven't heard of it. One of the depression era presidents might have done that but I can't remember who.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:26:30 PM by Kostya
Not that I know of. Why?
They objected because they're Republicans and the party line was to oppose Planned Parenthood, Obamacare, and any spending on healthcare at all because it's somehow damaging to our freedom to risk our lives. Nevermind that this also covers those who cannot legally consent: Children, mentally disabled, and the senile.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:27:48 PM by AceofSpades
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Well, it won't for at least eight more years, I can tell you that for certain.
edited 3rd Jan '13 8:32:34 PM by OhnoaBear
"The marvel is not that the Bear posts well, but that the Bear posts at all."@Serocco,
Incumbent Presidents that lost renomination: Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce and Chester Arthur.
EDIT: I just realized that Fillmore and Arthur both became President through succession, and because of this they were never nominated to be President.
Because of this, Franklin Pierce is the only Incumbent Presidents that ever failed to be renominated.
Andrew Johnson is an odd case. He was nominated for Vice-President by the Republicans in 1864, became President through succession in 1865, and then attempted to get the Democratic Party's nomination for president in 1868 (which he failed to do).
On another note, Martin Van Buren, Ulysses S Grant, and Theodore Roosevelt were all former presidents who tried (and failed) to get renominated by there party. But they were not the Incumbent President at the time of there failed attempt.
LBJ actually won the New Hampshire Primary (if only by a slim margin). I believe your thinking of Harry Truman.
edited 3rd Jan '13 9:21:30 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Obama extended the NDAA.
The Senate passed a provision that nullified the indefinite detention of American citizens on American soil, sure, but the House stripped that provision away, so the final bill that Obama signed is the same as it was when he first signed it.
edited 3rd Jan '13 10:50:29 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.It's a "reality" that the President can ignore, because he's the goddamn commander in chief.
And don't buy into the falsehood that the politicians give a damn about the common soldier. Don Rumsfeld initiated a stoplossing policy that kept soldiers from returning from Iraq
even after their contracts as soldiers expired
.
Plus, most of that money goes to the defense contractors, so spare me that "Think of the military" bullshit.
edited 3rd Jan '13 11:03:20 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.

The Republicans have no ability to pass legislation. And as much as Obama wants to be Captain Centrist, and the Republicans will tie repeal of Obamacare to the debt ceiling (as a worst case scenario), I don't really see them as having the power to repeal it before 2014.