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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#45826: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:31:34 PM

What about making executive orders to stop things or change things?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45827: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:37:57 PM

7:36: Now Representative Levin (D-MI) is telling Ed Royce to shove it.

7:38: Now Representative Camp (R-MI) is praising tax cuts and talking about out of control spending.

edited 1st Jan '13 7:40:45 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45828: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:40:20 PM

Points out that the Republicans are likely going to end up coming back from this, strong as every, and try to used the next debt ceiling vote to undo the tax hikes that did happen. I'm annoyed at them calling people like me (people who would like the president to use his "political capital" better, and stop being such an appeaser) the "Tea Party of the Left." ~~~~Dr Tentacles

This. I mean, I am O.K for many people to apporach the matter in a more conciliatory tone, but (as the funcionalist that I am) I do beleive that the Party should show its teeths when push comes to shove.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#45829: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:41:44 PM

Deviant: What Guru said. Obama merely has to veto every proposal that would try to undo his deal. And that's assuming the Democratic Senate doesn't likewise shut it down. Reid has been willing to let House idiocy die with the House before.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base Since: Jan, 2001
Citizen
#45830: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:42:08 PM

The President can't halt spending by Executive Order. That was decided during Nixon's time. Orders are only instructions to executive branch personnell on how to carry out their duties.

edited 1st Jan '13 7:42:33 PM by Lawyerdude

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45831: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:42:26 PM

HOUSE IS NOW VOTING TO CONCUR IN THE SENATE AMENDMENT.

edited 1st Jan '13 7:42:49 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45832: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:44:28 PM

Where can I watch it live online I wonder?? (I dont have a tv with me right now...)

edit:

Found it. You can watch the debate here [1]

edited 1st Jan '13 7:45:32 PM by Baff

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45833: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:45:53 PM

@Baff

Right here

EDIT: 118 YEAS, 63 NAYS, 251 UNDECIDED

edited 1st Jan '13 7:47:43 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45834: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:46:07 PM

35 Republican votes in (Yeas). That should be enough I think. Lets see how many democrats vote no.

[up] Thank you.


The Republican vote its really split in this one...43 Yea, 65 nay.


Vote is over, it seems like it passed with a bunch of abstensions.

Edit: Actually it didnt have that many abstensions. It wasnt even close.

256 to 166

edited 1st Jan '13 8:00:38 PM by Baff

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45835: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:03:11 PM

257 YEAS

167 NAYS

8 ABSTAIN

THE SENATE AMENDMENT WILL NOW BE CONCURRED IN.

Now they have to vote on whether to pass it or not.

edited 1st Jan '13 8:03:43 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45836: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:07:18 PM

So basically the Senate is getting shit done, it's when things get to the House that we get stuck.

Or is this the Senate voting on something that's passed the House?

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45837: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:08:40 PM

Ultra: Some beliefs are more sound that others. How we verify that is called science. Please keep that in mind.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45838: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:09:08 PM

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The house is voting.

As to where things get stuck depends on your perspective. For republicans its the senate where there bills go to die and for the democrats its the other way around.

Also voting in the house is slow... even watching the Colombian House (which is worse than the American house let me tell you) is more intersting...

edited 1st Jan '13 8:10:25 PM by Baff

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#45839: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:15:31 PM

In my opinion, both Senate and House have their times of obstruction, but the House trends more to it since their positions are more tenuous and they are also less experienced in general as politicians.

Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#45840: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:18:28 PM

Senators tend to be more moderate because their districts can't be gerrymandered. Because of this they represent the state's political views more accurately.

EDIT: Kucinich is requesting a recorded vote on the amendment to the bill that "urges our alllies in the European Union to designate Hezbollah as a terrorist organization and to aid Bulgaria in the investigation of its July 18th terrorist attack".

edited 1st Jan '13 8:23:35 PM by Completion

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45841: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:19:40 PM

I like the house better.

Its more true to democracy (or at least it would be if Republicans didnt have such overwhealming adventage do to gerrymandering).

Certain states are over represented in the Senate so that gives certain areas of the U.S (and certain special interests) overwhealming added political power.

edited 1st Jan '13 8:25:09 PM by Baff

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#45842: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:21:00 PM

Tomu: Some figures of speech are more significant than others. How we deal with that is called manners. Please keep that in mind.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#45843: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:23:32 PM

[up][up]On the other hand the Senate ensures that smaller states aren't irrelevant politically and its somewhat harder to elect maniacs to it.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45844: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:26:06 PM

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Not really. It has no more gurantee than the house of avoiding electing maniacs. Only that when they do get elected (and they do) they have more power than the ocasional maniac in the House.

And I agree with you about avoding letting the states becoming irrelevant, thats why its good to have 2 chambers. I just happen to beleive that the House its more democratic and thus, in my opinion, more symbologically important (or it would be if it wherent for, as Ive already pointed out, gerrymandering).

edited 1st Jan '13 8:27:19 PM by Baff

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#45845: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:27:24 PM

Not true. You can't gerrymander a Senate election. That means you can't elect someone who's on the fringe.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45846: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:27:27 PM

Guys, neither house is really better than the other, and we have two to ensure smaller states aren't drowned out and that bigger states aren't led around by the nose by smaller states. So yeah, they have their functions and they mostly fulfill them. It's not about which is "better" or "more true to democracy", because they fulfill the representational function expected of them.

It's the rigidity of certain political ideologies that is causing the problem right now.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#45847: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:28:25 PM

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Occasional? due to gerrymandering, the house is 90% maniacs.

edited 1st Jan '13 8:28:47 PM by Midgetsnowman

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#45848: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:29:03 PM

Also, almost none of the Representatives represent any state. Representatives represent districts within states rather than states themselves, except when the population of a state is small enough that there's only one representative to the state.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45849: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:29:11 PM

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Why not? There have been plenty of fringe and crazy senators.

[up][up]

O.K, if it wherent for the massive gerrymandering.

As I said, the house, in my opinion would better fufill the ideal of democracy if there wherent gerrymander, but there is, so it doesnt.

But even then its not significatevely worse than the senate, it only means that there are more republicans, or that republicas are over represented.

edited 1st Jan '13 8:31:02 PM by Baff

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45850: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:29:38 PM

Now several Representatives are chewing out the House for wanting to adjourn before voting on the Sandy Relief Bill.

edited 1st Jan '13 8:30:16 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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