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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Democrats can and should continue to fight long and hard after this deal passes. Remember, nothing's been settled in the long-term regarding the debt limit or a number of other issues. The deal is neither a victory nor a failure; it is a single first step. We only fail if we stop here.
Take the long view, people.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.Representative Steven C. LaTourette: GOP senators 'must have been drunk' to pass deal
Donald Trump: ‘Republicans May Be The Worst Negotiators In History!'
Paul Ryan: No comment on fiscal cliff bill
Pelosi: House can pass bill with Democratic help
edited 1st Jan '13 6:01:31 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016@Tomu: You believe in Keynesian economics. Sure, you'll have statistics ready that say Keynesianism is the most reliable economic theory. But at the end of the day, you choose to believe in one thing and not the other.
If you can have beliefs about a science (a soft science, but still) then I think I'm entitled to my beliefs regarding human nature.
Plus, it's just a figure of speech, and so was kinda nitpicking on your part.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.The only reason that economics is a "soft science" is that so many people have spent so much time muddying the waters in an attempt to make it subject to the whims of politicians rather than mathematicians and sociologists.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Bipartisan cooperation? Politians putting aside petty partisanship for the good of the country? How un-American.
Anyway, economics and politics don't mix. Politians don't vote for things based on the advice on economic experts. If they did, they wouldn't be subsidizing profitable corporations, or "too big to fail" businesses.
edited 1st Jan '13 6:10:35 PM by Lawyerdude
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.House voting on fiscal cliff tonight.
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BTW: If anybody is interested, here is a livefeed of the House of Representatives.
edited 1st Jan '13 6:14:07 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
For heavens sake,considering everything else he campaigned for has been either ditched or virtually such,...this is something to celebrate. He made the GOP cave
That alone is an amazing feat. We'd should be grateful for that and ya' know what at least some of the fair share is returning rather than none.
Thorn, I'm reasonably happy about the deal. But you don't understand two things. First, we still had time. The "cliff" takes place slowly, over a period time. And the effects would take a while to set in. He had time to push harder. I'd like it if he did a little more about inheritance taxes, for instance.
The second, more pressing concern is that the republicans are going to try very, very hard to roll this back when the Deficit Cap debate comes around in a month or so. That's going to be ugly. IMO, Obama needed to push really, really hard here, because you can bet your ass that the House is going to demand concessions, and probable re-negotiations in exchange for voting on that.
You have to look at the bigger picture. Obama needed a smashing "victory" in this, because it's very possible a lot of the work on the "cliff" will be undone in a month or so.
x4 That's for anyone to be pleased with Obama/Dems... I'd just be pleased seeing the Repugs and their corporate/banker scum-eating purseholders cave is all... This is why people like us will need to take real responsibility someday for this level of failure and incompetence, as far as I'm concerned(no questions about it!).
x2 Exactly what I'm afraid of... This will only further confirm that Dems are a cowardly lot and could pave the way for more Repug/Corporatist/Fascist scum to take power lesser than soon enough (which is looking at the bigger picture down the road!).
edited 1st Jan '13 7:00:52 PM by LostAnarchist
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The House is debating the bill right now.
House Minority Leader Pelosi (D-CA) is currently speaking.
Pacific Time 7:05: Now Representative Rangel (D-NY) is talking.
edited 1st Jan '13 7:06:44 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016What's to stop Obama from just putting his foot down in the fiscal cliff debates? (I know, this would be new for him, and he's given no indication of possessing such cojones before.)
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
What do you mean "just putting his foot down" ?
Pacific Time 7:09: Now Representative Richard Neal (D-MA) is talking.
7:14: Now Representative Bill Pascrell (D-NJ) is talking.
7:18: Now Representative Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) is talking about the need for bipartisanship.
7:22: Now Representative Danny K. Davis (D-IL) is taking.
7:24: Now Representative Jim Clyburn (D-NC) is saying this is not a perfect bill and bashing the Tea Party.
7:33: Now Representative Ed Royce (R-CA) is complaining about entitlement programs.
edited 1st Jan '13 7:34:16 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016So really, Obama has no real power on the fiscal cliff except to reject a deal he doesn't like.
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I'm hearing reports that there's a rift between Cantor and Baehner right now. The former apparently wants to vote on the deal, while the latter doesn't even want it on the floor.
edited 1st Jan '13 5:37:49 PM by Serocco
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