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LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#45726: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:52:45 AM

Exactly... It's clear that only people power, as exhibited from groups like OWS will save this country from fascism and totalitarian business practices/corporatism. We need to be out there and I don't need to say why beyond that!

At this point, all these cries that gov't has failed us are a wake up call that maybe we just need to dismantle gov't, just like Italy did with theirs a week or so back, at this point...

edited 1st Jan '13 10:55:32 AM by LostAnarchist

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45727: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:01:06 AM

[up] What happened with Italy?

And we don't need to overthrow the government, we just need to vote the screw up thats caused this out! And probably start a realistic third party.

I'm baaaaaaack
Bluesqueak Since: Jan, 2010
#45728: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:10:37 AM

I'd point out that a savvy politician (which both Obama and Biden are) never ever goes into a negotiation without wiggle room. If they were saying $250,000, they were willing to go higher. If $250,000 really was their sticking point, they would have gone for an even lower public figure to start with.

My understanding from the UK is that this is the first time in nearly twenty years Federal taxes have been raised. Is that right? Because if that's right, then just re-establishing the principle that 'taxes can rise' is a huge victory.

It ain't over 'till the ring hits the lava.
LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#45729: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:11:45 AM

IMHO, With the way things are, voting them out won't be enough, due to BS gerrymandering and consistent vote suppression - IMHO, it's time the people took a look around, saw what a failure/hellhole our country is, educated themselves, and fought back accordingly. We don't need an Arab Spring, but we might as well have one at this point with where we're going...

I'm sick of this complaining. Where is the drive? Where is the action? Where is the true outrage that I proudly salute that accompanies the Arab Spring? I'd like answers, but people think I'm talking crazy/insane at this point...

Focusing on the real subject at hand, I'd be more grateful if the Repugs had caved period, if only to reveal them as the bough-and-sold scum they are for ruining mine and our country in general.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:13:15 AM by LostAnarchist

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#45730: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:22:08 AM

Baff I hope you are aware that being as uncompromising as the republicans isn't going to fix anything and just continue this bullshit, right?

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Probably because despite all the bullshit, life isn't "sucking" for the majority of us. We have movies, video games, internet, tv, food, etc.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:22:46 AM by Thorn14

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45731: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:22:20 AM

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They did not come up with the 250 000 figure. Bush did.

If they where such expert negociators they would have ask to raise the taxes EVEN MORE, on people winning over 250000 dollars a year.

But deep down, the democrats didnt want to raise taxes on the rich, becuase, guess what? They are rich.

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In other words. Democrats are paid loser. Their sole function in Washington is to capitulate to Republicans.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:23:14 AM by Baff

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#45732: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:23:00 AM

Prove it.

If that was the case, we'd be seeing VERY different talks right now.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:23:39 AM by Thorn14

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45733: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:23:31 AM

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Thats literally nonsensical.

Edit: Prove what? Prove that dems didnt set the 250000 figure (thats what I am replyng to).

edited 1st Jan '13 11:24:24 AM by Baff

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#45734: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:24:03 AM

How? Prove that the democrats entire role is just to cave to Republicans.

Could they use more of a spine? Yes. But they aren't just shills.

I'm tired of how nothing short of us going over the cliff (which would be HORRIBLE) will satisfy you.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:24:34 AM by Thorn14

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45735: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:25:58 AM

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Its stands to reason. That is all they ever do. They only pretend to fight. They had victory serve on a platter for them, and they "compromised"

Jeez. Good job guys. Thats like calling it tables in a game of chess when you have checkmate in 4 moves.

[up] Also, we already ran out of the cliff, go figure.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:26:30 AM by Baff

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#45736: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:26:44 AM

This isn't about scoring political victories god dammit.

This is about trying to compromise to get our country out of this economic bullshit.

This isn't "chess" or something.

Considering how steadfast and rabid republicans were about ANY tax increase, I'd say 450k is some good compromise (certainly better than 1 million)

Although it sounds like Republicans are going to vote it against it anyway so weeeeee!

edited 1st Jan '13 11:30:41 AM by Thorn14

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#45737: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:30:53 AM

Have to agree with Baff up to a point. Before the Reagan era the roles were switched. Todays Heel is tomorrows Face. All depends on what the script tells them.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:31:11 AM by tricksterson

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45738: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:31:16 AM

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If it isnt about scoring political victories, then what is it about?

Politics run the country, you vote for people to push for policies you like. When you elect a mayority, with a mayority, who spouses certain politics, and then they go and have every tool to implement those politics trough policies, and they failed to do so, and it just happens to be a coincidence that implemneting said policies would be detrimental to them themselves because they are all rich..

Well then you can give them a pass the first time. But this is the 3rd time, and now they had, more than ever, a chance to win.

And they compromised.

Maybe if you stopped repeating ad verbatum propagandistic slongs you would see.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:31:36 AM by Baff

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#45739: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:32:30 AM

I'd rather our politics be about trying to improve our country, not score political points while we all suffer.

But I guess i'm a hopeless romantic.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45740: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:33:30 AM

No, its nonsensical.

The whole "lets forget our politics for the good of ther country" is a form of control trough propaganda. You know what is says? Abdicate your ideas for the good of stablished society.

And its funny how it applies to Dems and not Reps...

Yeah, unilateral disarmament, that will save the country!

edited 1st Jan '13 11:35:06 AM by Baff

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#45741: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:35:49 AM

If our country was about "our way or the highway" we wouldn't have the ability to have a partisan congress, we'd be a dictatorship.

Also lately whenever we go "our way or the highway" we end up on the highway.

Maaaaaybe Democrats realize that politics isn't "warfare"

People are sick and tired of this partisan bickering, and any compromise is a step in the right direction.

This mindset of yours is why we're in such a shitty congress right now.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:36:49 AM by Thorn14

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45742: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:36:36 AM

[up] No. We always end in the Republican way. Which is the highway. For 30 years now.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#45743: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:37:26 AM

I'm arguing to a brick wall.

If this was the Republican way, we'd be seeing Plan B but worse.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45744: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:38:09 AM

You are too indoctrinated to see that partisan bickering is more like Republican control and democratic whinning and eventual capitulation.

Everything about this is republican. It was the damn republicans who intended for the tax to expire any freaking way.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:38:45 AM by Baff

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45745: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:38:29 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Err, no, it's not, it's what politics is supposed to be about.

[up][up] Your arguing with the baff wall, get used to it.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:39:09 AM by Joesolo

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#45746: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:39:08 AM

May I suggest to close this line of discussion?

What exactly are the terms of the Agreement?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#45747: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:39:35 AM

Indoctrinated?

Haha oh wow.

~

[up]

Well, 450k instead of 250k, also extension of jobless benefits, a few other things, although apparently no spending cuts.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:40:10 AM by Thorn14

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45748: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:40:16 AM

"Indoctrinated"? Thats just baffling.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:40:39 AM by Joesolo

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45749: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:41:22 AM

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I am by a far a compromising person. Ive admitted to so many errors in this thing, I am sure you have noticed.

I just happen to handle a different line of argumentation than most.

I would argue Americans are heavily indoctrinated (in fact eveyrone is). Difference is that Americans dont realize to what extend the have been indocrtinated where as people around the world do know they have been indoctrinated to certain extend.

But in the end this is what happens when you dont repeat the stablished narrative...

edited 1st Jan '13 11:45:43 AM by Baff

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#45750: Jan 1st 2013 at 11:42:38 AM

Heh, this vote passed at 2 AM in the senate, which sounds like a tactic I've heard before.

edited 1st Jan '13 11:42:48 AM by Thorn14


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