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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#45701: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:36:18 PM

Congress doesn't have any one thing in mind, that's why this stupid fiscal cliff thing happened in the first place.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#45702: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:36:23 PM

Higher taxes only stimulate the economy if they go straight into a stimulus program or social programs, and in this case that wouldn't happen fast enough to do the damage. They're taxing the rich more and the poor less, and that will do.

I would love to see them triple the budget of the Department of Education, but I'm gouging Warren Buffet to do that, not the working poor.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45703: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:37:32 PM

I wouldn't mind cutting the defense industry too

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#45704: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:40:44 PM

No kidding,...and maybe the prison system as well while we're at it,since it's waaaay to overcrowded right now

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45705: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:41:46 PM

So...

Best/Worst political moment of 2012?

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45706: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:47:47 PM

Rove's meltdown at Fox over the election.

edited 31st Dec '12 9:48:16 PM by Serocco

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#45707: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:49:15 PM

The circus that was the GOP primary.

I wanted to say all of it, but I held myself back.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45708: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:57:25 PM

Romney's forty seven percent comment. I think that's when he really lost the election. People don't take kindly to being called moochers.

The problem with the prison system is that if we banned private prison the government would be looking for a lot less reasons to lock people up, because it's damned expensive to do that. I've been thinking lately that the private prisons are more the reason pot and the like are still illegal, more than other things. Those prisons want to be full because the state has to pay up to store them.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45709: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:08:51 PM

Carl Rove meltdown. That was the political moment of the year I woudl say.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#45710: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:16:49 PM

It's a tie between 47% and Rove's epic breakdown for me.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45711: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:19:53 PM

Oh, there was also Perry's "Ooops."

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45712: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:32:27 PM

That was in 2011, I think. Unless you're referring to something that wasn't on the campaign trail.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45713: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:34:09 PM

Oh, 2011. Ooops.

edited 31st Dec '12 10:34:27 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45714: Jan 1st 2013 at 12:15:21 AM

Senate Approves Fiscal Cliff Legislation (89-8)

The eight senators voting “no” were Senators Tom Harkin (D-IA), Tom Carper (D-DE), Michael Bennet (D-CO), Mike Lee (R-UT), Richard Shelby (R-AL), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Rand Paul (R-KY), and Marco Rubio (R-FL).

Not sure who were the 3 Senators that didn't vote.

edited 1st Jan '13 12:17:46 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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RTaco Since: Jul, 2009
#45715: Jan 1st 2013 at 12:16:28 AM

Serocco, you'r making the mistake of assuming that higher taxes by themselves stimulate the economy, which doesn't make any sense. Social spending stimulates the economy, and higher taxes just enable us to do that without increasing the deficit.

Also, "end tax cuts for everyone" is saying "raise taxes on everyone".

edited 1st Jan '13 12:17:41 AM by RTaco

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45716: Jan 1st 2013 at 12:38:11 AM

Well, the issue is,if we refuse to raise taxes, then we can't afford social programs.

As a nation, we're not unable to afford them, we just need to adjust how the revenue is acquired.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45717: Jan 1st 2013 at 12:45:28 AM

[up]

@Tomu using your economic knowledge, tell me if the deal that was just created in the Senate was good or bad (or mixed).

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#45718: Jan 1st 2013 at 2:22:53 AM

From what (little) I've caught up on, it seems like an alright deal considering.

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45719: Jan 1st 2013 at 9:04:19 AM

I haven't seen the exact deal, but my understanding is that the deal wouldn't hurt the economy so much as it hurts the democrats' bargaining position. "Opportunity cost" is high, you could say.

So unless the president says "fuck you guys" over the debt ceiling and goes around them, he's screwed pretty shortly.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45720: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:26:46 AM

So the rich and the Republicans win again it seems. The democrats will now tax above 450000 and not 250000....

Well done.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Bluesqueak Since: Jan, 2010
#45721: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:31:57 AM

[up]Well, that is how compromise works.

The Democrats suggested $250,000. The Republicans suggested $1 million. They ended up with a final figure nearer to the Democrat suggestion - usually that would be taken as their win.

It ain't over 'till the ring hits the lava.
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45722: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:38:44 AM

[up]

Compromise? its more like a capitulation.

Just because the Republicans asked for something, doesnt mean we should compromise.

[1]

edited 1st Jan '13 10:39:31 AM by Baff

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LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#45723: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:42:13 AM

Normally, I would bash the Democrats for caving, but this may be the only way to shut up the Bought-And-Sold Repugs. I still we had gone over the cliff, though, just to see something productive actually happen around here that isn't political/partisan bickering...

edited 1st Jan '13 10:42:38 AM by LostAnarchist

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#45724: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:48:20 AM

Long term, the issue is that giving up your superior bargaining position for a technically unnecessary compromise just rewards the Republicans for obstructing and hostage-taking. We'll see similar 'looming disasters averted at the last minute' every year or so, at any excuse the GOP can conjure up, until the Democrats muster the solidarity to punish this behavior. And the current president has a pattern of feeding this behavior, unfortunately, which has won him no favors on either side of the aisle.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#45725: Jan 1st 2013 at 10:52:22 AM

Technically we're over the cliff and there's still no guarantee that the House will agree to this. At all. Or not amend it with clown shoes riders.


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