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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45676: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:37:00 PM

The middle class is in no position to shoulder the sacrifice though. The rich are. Serocco this will not make things better it will just make many middle class families struggle even harder to break even which is not what we want to happen right now.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45677: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:38:06 PM

And if Congress gets its way, Social Security and Medicare will get cut by just over 1,000 dollars a year.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45678: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:38:52 PM

1000 a year is not that much.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45679: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:39:57 PM

[up] 1,000 a year, every year, until it's dead in the water.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:40:21 PM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45680: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:40:55 PM

Per capita? Okay, in that case that's stupid. I fail to see what that has to do with raising taxes on the middle class though.

edit: Serocco unless it's per capita that will take decades to run out. I think we'll be able to fix it by then.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:41:39 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45681: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:41:31 PM

The point is that we'll suffer anyway

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45682: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:42:19 PM

...

Okay. So you want us to suffer more? The social security cut is probably happening no matter what but we can at least keep tax rates low on the middle class.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45683: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:43:29 PM

Leave the middle class alone goddammit

On another note, pops told me that they came to a deal. Tax raise for those who make over $400,00. Said it's a pretty okay deal.

Your thoughts?

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#45684: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:43:45 PM

You...don't have a clue about actual Keynesian/Socialist economic policies, do you, Serocco?

edited 31st Dec '12 8:44:16 PM by Ekuran

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45685: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:44:55 PM

Senate to vote on the deal.

The article says that Congress can still backdate the cliff even after the new deal. I don't get that.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45686: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:45:21 PM

[up][up][up]

Well there's more to it than that.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:45:43 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45687: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:45:21 PM

[up][up][up][up]Better than nothing but I fail to see why it couldn't be applied to 250k people too.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:45:32 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45688: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:46:43 PM

By the way, Hugo Chavez is... not well, right now.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:46:52 PM by Serocco

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45689: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:00:52 PM

Go post that in the Venezuela thread, where Hugo Chavez in relevant.

Serrocco, you're being incredibly contradictory here when you say "raise all taxes" and then "only raise the taxes on the rich" and all that dumb shit. The point of tax cuts for the less well off is so that they don't end up being dirt poor and unable to contribute to the economy. This is why progressive taxation makes far more sense than this flat rate shit you're starting to spout. And yes it is flat rate, what you're saying. What the rest of us want is progressive taxation, resulting in the rich paying more of their money into taxes than the middle class. Because the rich can shoulder that particular burden better than the rest of us.

Flat rate taxes don't work. It just makes the middle class poor and keeps the already poor right where they are. You're spouting shit that would only hurt the middle class.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45690: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:03:23 PM

I did not say "raise all taxes". I said stop the tax cuts for everybody.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45691: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:05:28 PM

POSTED IN WRONG THREAD!

edited 31st Dec '12 9:06:11 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45692: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:06:16 PM

That is effectively raising taxes because it will have the same effect, that is a bad one.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45693: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:06:49 PM

That's basically what the tax cuts ending are for everyone, Serrocco. And you managed to deftly miss my basic point there; what you want to happen is stupid because it will actively harm the economic mobility of large portions of the population.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45694: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:09:14 PM

At least I'm consistent. Unlike the White House, which caved on the issue of tax rates.

edited 31st Dec '12 9:12:52 PM by Serocco

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Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45695: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:12:49 PM

Since the latest deal is moderate...hopefully the bitchin medical marijuana for recreational use in Chicago this January isn't moderate like the fiscal cliff deal nor bullshit.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45696: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:15:01 PM

[up]

Moderate Marijuana?

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#45697: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:25:13 PM

Whelp, it's 2013 on the East Coast now. Time to continue another year of politics in this country of mine and the other American tropers.

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Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45698: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:26:42 PM

@Deviant

lol

I mean like better not be any ridiculously bullshit conditions on getting it.

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45699: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:29:35 PM

Consistency isn't worth anything at all when you're consistent about positions that would hurt people, Serrocco. So don't pull that like it puts you on a higher pedestal than Congress.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45700: Dec 31st 2012 at 9:34:06 PM

My way of "harming" people is lesser than what Congress has in mind.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.

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