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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45651: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:54:08 PM

[up] The House will return tomorrow, so they can vote on the deal (or even have it on the floor), because it was made before the deadline.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:54:35 PM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45652: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:54:23 PM

[up][up]True but Norquist has given a tentative okay and if the Senate, Obama, and Boehner approve of it it will probably be the Republicans fault if the deal falls through.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:54:33 PM by Kostya

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45653: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:55:31 PM

We can count on 49 Democrats (I don't trust Joe Manchin) and Bernie Sanders to vote for it. That gives us 50 Votes. And since the Vice-President casts the tie breaking vote, I think it'll pass The Senate.

[up] Are you sure Boehner supports it?

edited 31st Dec '12 7:57:25 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45654: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:56:26 PM

You still have Blue Dog Democrats like Lieberman, though. He always votes with Republicans, so if McConnell votes no, so will Lieberman.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:57:40 PM by Serocco

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45655: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:02:38 PM

@Serroco: would you approve of the tax breaks expiring for the middle class if that money was used to buy drones?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45656: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:05:04 PM

[up] We buy drones anyway.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45657: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:09:28 PM

What I mean is why do you feel the need to raise taxes if the money taxed will not go to anything that benefits people?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45658: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:09:36 PM

Deal reached to avert milk price spike

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45659: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:12:12 PM

[up][up] Because it's been proven that raising taxes stimulates the economy, ala Clinton and Eisenhower.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45660: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:15:40 PM

Yes but it can also hinder it if you raise it on people that don't have excess money. That's why we want taxes on the rich to come up but the ones on the middle class to stay because having a middle class that has money to burn also stimulates the economy.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45661: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:21:11 PM

[up][up]

People had money in the 90s and 50s.

Since the Recession, things aren't going so well.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45662: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:21:40 PM

[up][up][up]So taxing everyone, throwing that money into a pile, and then setting that pile into a fire is a good idea, because it's raising taxes?

edited 31st Dec '12 8:21:54 PM by ohsointocats

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45663: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:24:09 PM

[up] Did you not pay attention? We had a surplus with the 39% tax hikes under Clinton. We had a recession with the tax cuts under Bush.

That alone says we were better off with higher taxes on the rich.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:26:13 PM by Serocco

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45664: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:25:50 PM

And there are more murders at the time of year they sell more ice cream.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:26:17 PM by ohsointocats

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45665: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:26:36 PM

What?

edited 31st Dec '12 8:26:53 PM by Serocco

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#45666: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:27:19 PM

Point is that there really isn't a good correlation between tax rates and surplusses.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:28:48 PM by terlwyth

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45667: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:28:24 PM

[up] You think tax cuts (along with the rest of the deregulation policies) didn't at least contribute to the recession and the Great Depression decades earlier?

edited 31st Dec '12 8:31:59 PM by Serocco

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45668: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:28:25 PM

Well we see that as ice cream sales go up, murders increase, and as they go down, they decrease, so we had better stop selling ice cream, right?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45669: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:29:04 PM

Serocco are you talking about the rich or everyone? Taxes need to go up on the rich but you said before that all cuts need to be ended.

[up][up]The depression was caused largely by a lack of regulation on businesses. That's also what caused the recession. Low taxes didn't cause either one but they are contributing to the deficit.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:30:06 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45670: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:29:54 PM

Yes, raise taxes on the rich, but end tax cuts for everyone, including the rich, because I don't trust the idea that tax cuts with tax hikes are good.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45671: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:31:01 PM

Serocco I cannot support that. My family is struggling and we're not poor by any stretch of the imagination. If we can't handle a tax increase then I shudder to think what it would do to those in the lower bracket of the middle class.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45672: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:32:22 PM

I never said raise taxes on the middle class. Only on the rich.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45673: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:33:31 PM

You said end tax cuts for everyone. That is effectively raising taxes on the middle class and my family will struggle to survive if that's the case and that's without factoring in the college expenses I'll have next fall.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45674: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:34:00 PM

That's shared sacrifice. The rich and the middle class both pay more.

edited 31st Dec '12 8:34:29 PM by Serocco

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#45675: Dec 31st 2012 at 8:34:33 PM

But ending all the tax cuts would inevitably bring things up on the struggling middle class,...maybe it is a cut,...but whatever it is it's beneficial.

On the rich we do need to raise it,no disagreements there.


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