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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45626: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:30:03 PM

[up][up] I keep saying: do not touch the social programs. Cutting our benefits has nothing to do with economic stimulation.

[up]You talk about blame. I don't like the deal, but if the House comes in and rejects the deal, that's political suicide. If the House actually rejects a clear-cut deal, you can write in 2014 as a Democratic victory election.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:31:09 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45627: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:30:48 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Wait the title of that article lied.

Norquist says in the article:

“Not having read it all, I’m not endorsing it. But right now, as explained, it doesn’t violate the pledge,”

So he has a lukewarm feeling for it.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:31:56 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45628: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:31:37 PM

[up] Only because he hasn't read the whole thing.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:33:21 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45629: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:32:42 PM

[up]

That doesn't necessarily mean he'll like it when he read the entire thing.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:33:10 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45630: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:33:11 PM

Serocco: You have to realize that while I agree with you it has to be done. One side is being stupid but we need their approval to get anything done hence why we need to compromise. None of the Founding Fathers thought the constitution was perfect but it worked pretty well for its time.

Also that's why I want the house to reject the deal. It will mean the Republicans are firmly to blame which means they can stand to lose a ton of seats.

Deviant: It's better than his usual idiocy.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:33:59 PM by Kostya

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45631: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:33:32 PM

@Serocco

Dude what do you mean Biden and Obama are continuing the tax cuts? I thought they weren't. Fiscal cliff everyones taxes go up.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45632: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:34:14 PM

[up]They are for the middle class.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45633: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:34:35 PM

So what if I talk about blame? I'm not even sure what you mean by that, because it's so unconnected to the rest of your statement. In any event, what happens in 2014 is largely dependent on whether or not the Democrats get their shit together because their performance during the midterm elections has apparently sucked so far. Which is part of how we got the Tea Party nuts in the House in the first damn place. So yeah. Best to watch what the Democrats do if you're prediction who gets elected in; people can't vote for people who don't run, and won't vote for people who don't get their message out.

And Norquist can go hang. He's just trying desperately to remain relevant in a world that cares less and less for his moronic opinion.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45634: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:34:39 PM

We won't benefit much when these Democrats are the ones negotiating with the Republicans.

[up] I explained the blame part. If the Republicans reject the deal, they'll pretty much kill their chances at 2014.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:35:45 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#45635: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:35:08 PM

Actually, Serrocco, a low tax on the middle-class and poor is a good thing during a recession. The rich is more likely to either save money, or put into long-term securities (bonds). However, the poor/middle class will actually spend pretty much all of that money that they save from taxes. They have to spend that money. To do otherwise is to risk starvation, falling behind on loans/houses, all of the day-today bills that people get.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:35:52 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45636: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:37:57 PM

If you raise taxes while cutting spending, that won't do well for the economy. No matter what class the tax cuts are for.

It's like taking Dayquil and Nyquil at the same time.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:42:16 PM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45637: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:39:34 PM

Serocco that's what most of us want. Unfortunately it isn't happening. We just have to hope they cut things that are relatively nonessential.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45638: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:39:39 PM

The taxes rising is a result of not meeting a deadline, Serrocco. It's a consequence we knew well in advance. They'll be talking, now, about cutting taxes, and where to do it. Seriously, you're jumping the gun. It's now a wait and see what they do situation, because the Republicans have officially hung themselves.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45639: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:40:21 PM

Ah nevermind. Also goddammit. Now I know what you're talking about.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/fiscal-cliff-deal_n_2348269.html

Another two months of the goddamn tax cuts?

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45640: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:42:05 PM

[up][up] It's a fine "consequence", as long as the rich pay their share.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45641: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:43:15 PM

Half from defense? That would be good but it doesn't say how much that amounts to. Anything under 200 billion is probably too low.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:44:29 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45642: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:44:31 PM

It also says half of it will come from non-defense stuff, which I'm guessing will mean the social programs.

That's what they call shared sacrifice, but I'll only count it as "shared" if the tax cuts expire for all.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45643: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:44:38 PM

Well we can count on Rand Paul to vote against the bill in the Senate

Dow closes up 166 points despite Fiscal Cliff fears

We dodged a bullet there.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:46:32 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45644: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:45:40 PM

Serocco, why do you want tax cuts to expire for all? That is a terrible idea.

edit: Seriously my family cannot afford 6k more in taxes. We could use a tax cut beyond what we have now.

Deviant: Rand Paul just go away.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:46:23 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45645: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:49:39 PM

[up] If you have tax cuts for the middle class, with tax hikes on the rich, I'm doubtful that it'll help the economy.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:51:04 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45646: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:49:53 PM

Huzzah! No one is happy with this deal!

I hear that's the sign of a good compromise.

[up]

To an extent but if you raise taxes to much it will hurt the economy.

Perhaps we should raise taxes on the upper middle class, while retaining the current tax level for the lower middle class.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:52:08 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45647: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:51:39 PM

How will it not help the economy? If my parents get to keep that six thousand dollars they can spend it on stuff which gives companies money that they can use to cover their bottom line, pay their workers, and other stuff. Taking money from us means we're forced to make cuts to what we buy which means we're not pumping as much money into the economy.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:51:54 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#45648: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:51:50 PM

Let's see how the Senate will vote on the deal. It'll most likely pass.

[up]Your higher taxes will stimulate the economy anyway.

edited 31st Dec '12 7:52:28 PM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45649: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:52:21 PM

I'm sure the Senate will approve. The House probably won't though but they're Republican controlled so it will just hurt them even more.

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#45650: Dec 31st 2012 at 7:52:58 PM

Yeah but this is a Senate compromise. Last I heard the House republicans hadn't signed onto it so doesn't that make it meaningless?

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