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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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oh, they care. Its just quite a few of them are so wedded to the idea that fiscal austerity in the absolute extreme and destruction of programs that allow people to be "lazy" will magically fix the economy.
And the ones that arent cant risk being voted out in the primaries by the wingnuts
edited 31st Dec '12 10:59:11 AM by Midgetsnowman
A Tim Kaine/Elizabeth Warren ticket could be interesting. Especially if it leads to Warren getting elected in 2024.
Seriously. Mental health is an issue to address, but it is not the same issue.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.By the way, can anybody more learned in politics tell me why the Democrats always seem to acquiesce to Republican demands even now that more and more Americans seem to be realizing how crazy the party's gotten? I mean, the Republicans have problems because they kowtow to their crazy base too much, but the Democrats don't seem to kowtow to their base enough.
@Kostya
Bleh, I disagree sir. They know damn well the ramifications of ignoring the deal for petty reasons such as "glory" and "indebted to corporates" by ignoring the deal. Call it dickish of me to wish this if you want, but I hope their friends in the corporate world suffer financially.
"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -MugenThe Democrats are split into 3 groups.
- The Democrats that don't want to go over the cliff, and are willing to comprise on most of there goals if it means avoiding it. Most of of these guys are Blue Dogs by the way.
- The Democrats that don't want to go over the cliff, but are willing to if most of there current demands aren't met. I think these guys may represent the majority of the Dems.
- And the Democrats who want to go over the cliff, because they think that it will put them in a position to get more concessions out of the Republican.
Dean screwed himself on that.
That's not completely true. Boehner offered to raise tax rates on those that make over a $1 million in incomes.
edited 31st Dec '12 1:04:57 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Might have an 11th hour deal after all.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
@Kostya:
Actually, they are. The House had went on a recess around Christmas and came back last night. The Senate went into recess Saturday night and are supposed to be back today.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."Well ladies and gentleman, we're going over the cliff. The House is wrapping up without a vote.
edited 31st Dec '12 1:21:57 PM by rmctagg09
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.Oh all of y'all dependent on the U.S. were fucked any which way.

Well if you refuse to pay people they'll just refuse to work for you. However if you are paying them then they could take the job out of desperation despite not having all the benefits they'd like.