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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45526: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:51:19 AM

Well if you refuse to pay people they'll just refuse to work for you. However if you are paying them then they could take the job out of desperation despite not having all the benefits they'd like.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45527: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:55:14 AM

Seriously, GOP just plain freaking pathetic. You don't give one damn bit that we're going off the cliff. Pathetic each and every last damn one of you GOP'ers >_<

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45528: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:56:23 AM

I think they care. In fact it's the Democrats that primarily want us to go over the cliff.

edited 31st Dec '12 10:56:34 AM by Kostya

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45529: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:56:36 AM

How about just shift the benefits from forcing them to provide contraceptives to something else?

I'm baaaaaaack
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45530: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:57:52 AM

How do you do that? The current healthcare bill requires them to provide coverage for a plan that includes contraceptives. Unless they just take the penalty and refuse to give insurance they have to provide contraceptives indirectly.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45531: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:58:07 AM

@Joesolo: Like 1 year paid maternity leave?

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#45532: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:58:38 AM

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oh, they care. Its just quite a few of them are so wedded to the idea that fiscal austerity in the absolute extreme and destruction of programs that allow people to be "lazy" will magically fix the economy.

And the ones that arent cant risk being voted out in the primaries by the wingnuts

edited 31st Dec '12 10:59:11 AM by Midgetsnowman

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45533: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:58:46 AM

[up][up]Isn't that already required?

edit: Do we have any possibility of a deal? I don't think the leaders are even meeting right now.

edited 31st Dec '12 10:59:42 AM by Kostya

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#45534: Dec 31st 2012 at 10:59:36 AM

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No. paid maternity leave is nowhere year one year long.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45535: Dec 31st 2012 at 11:01:00 AM

I would be okay with companies choosing not covering contraceptives if they were then forced to pay 1 year paid maternity leave for mothers and 1 year paid paternity leave for fathers if his wife is on his health plan.

edited 31st Dec '12 11:01:20 AM by ohsointocats

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#45536: Dec 31st 2012 at 11:07:16 AM

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But they wouldnt. They'd rather engineer a way to fire you for having a baby.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#45538: Dec 31st 2012 at 11:32:08 AM

A Tim Kaine/Elizabeth Warren ticket could be interesting. Especially if it leads to Warren getting elected in 2024.

Reinstating the Clinton ban won't do anything. Work on mental health. That's the cause of school shootings.
No. People with mental illness are less violent on average than people without. Many shootings are the result of normal people just breaking under pressures without a social support network to catch them. And given the stigmatization of mental illness, a "find the crazies" approach will just scare gun owners with mental illnesses away from diagnosis and help.

Seriously. Mental health is an issue to address, but it is not the same issue.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
tbok1992 The 4.5th Horseman from On the midnight train going an-y-where... Since: Dec, 2012
The 4.5th Horseman
#45539: Dec 31st 2012 at 11:38:23 AM

By the way, can anybody more learned in politics tell me why the Democrats always seem to acquiesce to Republican demands even now that more and more Americans seem to be realizing how crazy the party's gotten? I mean, the Republicans have problems because they kowtow to their crazy base too much, but the Democrats don't seem to kowtow to their base enough.

c64system Mai Waifu from World Wide Web Since: Dec, 2012
Mai Waifu
#45540: Dec 31st 2012 at 11:40:04 AM

[up] Which bill would that be so I can quote it.

Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know. Aldous Huxley
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45541: Dec 31st 2012 at 11:43:42 AM

[up][up] Because the republicans are freaking prick who refuse to compromise at all, and the democrats, actually caring about average people, try to get at least some good done.

I'm baaaaaaack
Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45542: Dec 31st 2012 at 12:07:30 PM

@Kostya

Bleh, I disagree sir. They know damn well the ramifications of ignoring the deal for petty reasons such as "glory" and "indebted to corporates" by ignoring the deal. Call it dickish of me to wish this if you want, but I hope their friends in the corporate world suffer financially.

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45543: Dec 31st 2012 at 12:57:40 PM

In fact it's the Democrats that primarily want us to go over the cliff.

The Democrats are split into 3 groups.

  • The Democrats that don't want to go over the cliff, and are willing to comprise on most of there goals if it means avoiding it. Most of of these guys are Blue Dogs by the way.

  • The Democrats that don't want to go over the cliff, but are willing to if most of there current demands aren't met. I think these guys may represent the majority of the Dems.

  • And the Democrats who want to go over the cliff, because they think that it will put them in a position to get more concessions out of the Republican.

Howard Dean pulled the grassroots up, but when push came to shove, the party picked the Democratic version of Romney;

Dean screwed himself on that.

Because the republicans are freaking prick who refuse to compromise at all

That's not completely true. Boehner offered to raise tax rates on those that make over a $1 million in incomes.

edited 31st Dec '12 1:04:57 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#45544: Dec 31st 2012 at 12:59:19 PM

Might have an 11th hour deal after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#45545: Dec 31st 2012 at 1:02:32 PM

I think that there might be something to push the deadline back a bit rather than any long-term deal. Then they'll spend the next however long going 'round in circles again.

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#45546: Dec 31st 2012 at 1:03:07 PM

@Kostya:

I don't think the leaders are even meeting right now.

Actually, they are. The House had went on a recess around Christmas and came back last night. The Senate went into recess Saturday night and are supposed to be back today.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#45547: Dec 31st 2012 at 1:20:31 PM

Well ladies and gentleman, we're going over the cliff. The House is wrapping up without a vote.

edited 31st Dec '12 1:21:57 PM by rmctagg09

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#45548: Dec 31st 2012 at 1:21:58 PM

Good.

Better over the cliff than allowing republicans to conveniently weasel out of budget cuts to sacred repulican cows.

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#45549: Dec 31st 2012 at 1:24:13 PM

...

...

... So what entirely does the US going over the cliff mean for those of us whose economies depend on your darned exports?

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001

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