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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Fighteer: Most liberals don't vote in the primaries.
We're not much better than the GOP in this respect, you know. The folks who turn out to the primaries are not representative of the country or even the party.
You're getting folks who aren't motivated by economic policies. They're motivated by hatred of CEO "fat cats." And that's how you nominate someone like Warren, who, when push comes to shove, has very little economic credibility or experience.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.I think that I would be very likely to vote in the 2016 primary. It'll be interesting; it would be my first time.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I genuinely don't know who I'll vote for in the primary. Unless Obama can somehow talk the Republicans into a recovery, I don't think Democratic chances are good.
Maybe we can find another dark horse like Obama or Clinton.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.I remain steadfast in my belief that if the Republicans continue to sabotage the economy, it'll bite them in the ass in 2014 and 2016.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Baff: I know it's pleasant to attribute all blame to corporate influence, but the fact of the matter is that Americans just plain don't like the left. That's how democracy works sometimes. And yeah, the Republicans cheat, but the American center is about at Obama (if not farther right), and there's nothing much you can do about it. The best you can hope for are centrists, because if you send a leftist, you will lose.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.Lets see
Biden is too old.
Warren is too liberal.
Clinton said she is not running.
Cuomo is too conservative and anti-union.
Nixon is too pro-life.
And all the other possible candidates are to obscure.
I think Tim Kaine is gonna be the pick.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:56:46 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016@Ultrayellow: The fact is that most Americans are not conservative. When polled individually on various policy issues, such as what is a fair tax rate (and share) for the wealthiest Americans, they agree largely with European voters. It's the media obsession with presenting both sides as equal opposites that is largely responsible for the impression that we're center-right as a nation.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Clinton, Dubya and Obama all seemed to come right out of nowhere. Two governors with next to no national exposure and a junior Senator that nobody had heard of at the time. I'd bet that many of us haven't even heard of either party's top 2016 runners. If I was a politician with Presidential aspirations right now, I'd be keeping my head down during this whole crazy rigamarole we're going through until the 2014 election season.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:18:26 PM by Lawyerdude
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Yet they are manipulated quite easily by the mass media. Its not like a person who has the same values and morals as your average american can make it into the presidency. The system as it stands now stands prevents it.
In fact the whole electoral vote thing is design to prevent the country from being too democratic (in both senses of the word).
edited 30th Dec '12 10:18:46 PM by Baff
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.@Fighteer: Numerically, both sides are equal. The Democrats may have an advantage among non-voters, but crazy as the Republicans were this year, nearly as many people turned out to support them as the Democrats. The two parties have roughly equal support.
@Baff: A person with the same values and morals as the average American would probably destroy the economy, under the "country's budget equals household budget" paradigm.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:20:37 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.![]()
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- Former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee
- Former Governor of Virginia
- Considered as a possible running mate for Barack Obama in 2008
- Currently a Senate-elect
The fact that he is from a swing-state is a bonus for him.
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Well Clinton did give a nationally televised (and very poorly received) opening night address at the 1988 Democratic National Convention
edited 30th Dec '12 10:24:40 PM by DeviantBraeburn
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If people knew what the Republicans did no one would vote for them (and the same is truth of the Democrats but, not as bad)
Edit: Ok, maybe some people would, but they wouldnt be nearly as popular.
@Ultrayellow.
You are suggesting that having morals makes you stupid? The elites are always too happy to claim that anyone who has some sort of middle class background would be too stupid to run the country anyways.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:23:14 PM by Baff
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.Its the worst of two worlds, isnt it?
I dont beleive so. Obama and Clinto where. As for the others...
Edit: But now that I think about it there have been a few so nevermind.
As for Americans, and humans in general, I firmly beleive they tend to the left naturally (in varying degrees). Nothing that a strong and healthy propaganda machine cant fix do.
I mean, when you have a third of the population that doesnt beleive in Evolution, then its hard to say they have a firm grip on reality.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:33:12 PM by Baff
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.Barack Obama: Connecticut school shooting was 'worst day of my presidency'
@Baff: What about my post made it seem like I thought morals made you stupid?
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm telling you that the average American doesn't understand economics. It's that simple. It's why we have a republic, and not direct democracy. There are some issues where normal people will make bad decisions.
Edit: Damn it Obama...you're going to make the NRA seem sane and totally grounded in reality when they opposed you on the basis of future gun-taking.
Reinstating the Clinton ban won't do anything. Work on mental health. That's the cause of school shootings. Gun control looks and is partisan.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:42:59 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

@Baff: Look at the proportion of Obama's campaign money that came from small donors, versus Romney's. It can be done. Romney had a cash advantage and still lost. Money alone isn't everything.
I admit that Warren would face serious challenges in a bid for the White House, but it wouldn't be as hopeless as you think.
Edit: I also think she might do better in 2020 or 2024, as she is unseasoned.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:01:02 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"