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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
If you thought that big corporate money came down on the Republicans' side in 2012, just wait until Warren gets nominated. They will be throwing tens of billions into defeating her.
Of course, we've seen only too well now how having tons of money alone doesn't make your campaign effective.
As for Christie, the fact that he's been observed to cooperate with Obama would make him anathema to large swathes of the right. He doesn't stand a chance of getting nominated unless the party experiences a major shift in the politics of its base.
edited 30th Dec '12 9:42:50 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"My point is that money didn't decide this election. I think if Warren is marketed properly she can win. There's a lot of resentment towards corporations and she could very easily tap into that.
She's also female which could swing things in her favor a little more and the country seems to be growing even more liberal which will give the Republicans an even harder battle.
edited 30th Dec '12 9:44:12 PM by Kostya
Obama is a much better politician.
Warren reeks of partisanship. She's everything people hate about Democrats and liberals. Her most famous speech is almost identical to Obama's "You didn't build that" speech, the most unsuccessful of his career. Warren will probably win a primary filled with anti-corporation folks like you, but she'll never win independents.
By the time four years rolls around, the GOP will probably be tired enough of Obama that "able to win" is more important than "true conservative."
And remember, Republicans wanted Christie to run this year. He's popular enough within the party already.
edited 30th Dec '12 9:45:26 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.Well, here's my prediction, for what it's worth. It would only be possible for Warren to get elected if the Republicans continue to push the Tea Party-based agenda for the next four years, to the point where inequality remains unaddressed and the country either remains in a doldrum or falls into another recession as a result.
If Obama manages to preside over a continued recovery, however lethargic, the Democrats won't be able to tap the outrage that they did in 2012 to carry someone like Warren to a victory.
Republicans may not realize this, but if they succeed in crashing us via failing to raise the debt ceiling, they're all but guaranteeing that a Democrat will win in 2016.
edited 30th Dec '12 9:45:55 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That wouldn't be too bad, if it's someone everyone can live with (and I assume you mean their idea of conservative). I mean, that's how we had presidents like Eisenhower.
Ultrayellow: Just to clarify I am not anti-corporation. I just don't like how much power they have over the government and their workers.
I think you're underestimating how mad people could be at corporations. Corruption is a big issue for a lot of people and if she can sell her anti-corporation rhetoric as being a cure I'm sure people will flock to her.
Fighteer: You think a recession makes another Democratic candidate more likely? I'd think it would hurt them.
That's probably the biggest strike against him. Hillary would be my first choice after him but she's not interested and even if she was these recent health concerns could make damage her chances.
edited 30th Dec '12 9:51:41 PM by Kostya
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Cuomo is easily the most bi-partisan choice. Even more so than Schweitzer or Nixon, and there both governors of Red states
His only major obstacle would be that Unions hate him with a passion.
edited 30th Dec '12 9:51:43 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016@Trivialis: I could live with Christie. Ryan would be horrible. Not sure about Rubio.
@Kostya: I actually wasn't specifically addressing you at all. But yes, for the purposes I'm talking about, you count as an anti-corporation voter.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.Okay. A lot of people do think corporations should have less influence though.
◊ Unfortunately this is outdated but I have a hard time believing the numbers have dropped. They might even have increased.
I think the term "anti-corporation" is a bit strong for most people. I think that most liberal voters are quite happy with capitalism as a general concept but think that corporations have been allowed to run wild for so long that they de facto run the system that is supposed to restrain them from doing the kinds of things that crashed us in 2008.
It is entirely possible to address inequality by returning us to, say, 1970 levels of taxation. That wouldn't crush corporations; they'd do just fine, and so would their owners and shareholders. But they would no longer command the massive amounts of excess cash needed to buy our politicians and media.
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Citizens United should also be overturned and lobbying should be illegal or severely restricted. I believe there's bipartisan support for all these things so as long as Warren doesn't come on too strong she can run on that basis.
Heck, if Obama gets us out of the recession and into full recovery she could campaign on these reforms as a way of preventing this from ever happening again.
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Banks weren't exactly big fans of Obama either, at least not compared to Romney.
How so?
edited 30th Dec '12 10:01:22 PM by Kostya

edited 30th Dec '12 9:36:55 PM by Kostya