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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45301: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:53:37 PM

I like this idea.

edited 29th Dec '12 4:54:16 PM by Kostya

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45302: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:56:44 PM

little bit disappointed there isn't a .22 exclusion, but i guess it doesnt really matter.

I'm baaaaaaack
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45303: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:56:53 PM

[up] Chances are its not going to pass the House.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45304: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:57:52 PM

[up][up]What do you mean by that?

[up]I know but at least they're trying. It's not like they're giving up entirely and the effort might even sway a few of the more moderate Republicans to their side.

edited 29th Dec '12 4:58:38 PM by Kostya

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#45305: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:00:45 PM

I don't think an agreement to share the same oxygen would pass the House right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tea Party caucus showed up with oxygen tanks and masks to be honest.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45306: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:18:00 PM

[up][up]

I mean, the 'ban High-Capacity Magazines' legislation is probably going to die in the House.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45307: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:18:43 PM

[up]I know. I was asking Joe what he meant.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#45308: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:19:25 PM

Everything is going to die in the House. This is an attempt to dislodge vulnerable swing-state Republicans in the House by making them look like unfeeling monsters.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45309: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:28:11 PM

As I said, only 22 House Republicans voted against Bohenner. This are your "hard core" tea partiers.

Compromise its possible, and will probably happen.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45310: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:29:02 PM

Really? Where did you get that number and why wasn't that enough to get the Plan B passed?

edit: Also just because they were willing to vote for Boehner's plan that doesn't mean they'd vote for a Democratic one. It also doesn't mean the Democrats would vote for his plan.

edited 29th Dec '12 5:29:48 PM by Kostya

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#45311: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:29:03 PM

When do the automatic measures happen? There's only a few days left in the year.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45312: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:30:03 PM

I think it depends on what you're talking about.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#45313: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:33:42 PM

It's not just the 22 Tea Partiers who voted openly, it's the 200+ waiting to primary anyone who so much as thinks the word "compromise"

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45314: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:45:22 PM

Boehner's Plan B was a Republican wish list basically. The ability of Republicans to vote for their own plan doesn't mean they're willing to vote for a plan that isn't complete horseshit.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45315: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:50:30 PM

@Kosty.

I quoted a Slate article a couple pages back.

And yes, it only took 22 house representatives to have plan B failed.

Actually Bohenner could have passed his plan B. He had the votes. 23 nays would sink his plan and he had only 22 nays. But he didnt want to risk being humilliated by a last second nay. He just didnt had enough confidence his measure would pass all do he had the votes he needed, but just barely.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45316: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:51:53 PM

[up]

Plus Boehner knew his plan would just die in the Senate if it passed.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45317: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:54:43 PM

If 22 nays from his own side will kill it, that means that basically 100% of the Dems voted against it.

The "There are only 22 intransigent Republicans!" mantra doesn't really hold water here.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45318: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:56:27 PM

As I said, democrats couldnt be in a better position.

Republicans will look bad no matter what they do. The narrative at last is against them (do the media has done its best to put some blame on the dems to and make it seem like its just partisan bickery when a party is actually holding the country hostage).

I have confidence that over 100 house representatives would vote in favour of a democrat bill, if it passed the senate and where introduced in the house after the fiscal cliff.

[up] What do you mean? It proves my point. That there are 400 something house represntatives in the house, and 22 hard core tea partiers.

edited 29th Dec '12 5:57:43 PM by Baff

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45319: Dec 29th 2012 at 6:02:55 PM

22 that are SO hard core they'd vote against even Plan B. That doesn't mean there aren't hard core tea partiers-just not THAT hard core.

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#45320: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:13:53 PM

You guys realize that if the economy collapses, the narrative will change, right? It's not going to be "the Republicans are mostly responsible for obstruction." It's going to be "the government sucks and is the reason you now have no job."

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45321: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:16:20 PM

We'll see. Obama had to own everything sucking from 2008 to 2010 because of, well, all the effort being spent on the health care bill. But congress has become *the* villain of the day, and the Republicans control the house. I don't think that narrative will change. Plan B was Boehner's effort to change it, and he failed. We may go over the cliff and see shit hit the fan, but the Republicans aren't going to avoid the blame.

But, who cares? They've rigged the system beyond all reckoning. Democrats took the majority of votes, and still hold a minority in the house. The Republicans don't need to worry about their own unpopularity anymore-they only have to worry about primary challengers.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#45322: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:25:56 PM

Starbucks to expand 'fiscal-cliff' campaign

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45323: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:27:50 PM

For fucks sake Schultz, this kind of blatant anti-partisanship is not helping. I know the common wisdom says it is, but it isn't.

Republicans are responsible for there not being a deal. Don't say "come together" when only one party is refusing to do that!

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#45324: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:53:41 PM

@UY: Didn't Thorn post links to a poll indicating that a majority of Americans blame Republicans for the gridlock just a few pages ago? (and by few I mean twenty)

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45325: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:55:33 PM

I don't know who first posted it but yes. 51 blame the Republicans, 27 blame Obama, and the rest blame both.

Also Obama has a much higher approval rating than congress.

edited 29th Dec '12 8:56:23 PM by Kostya


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