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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I don't think an agreement to share the same oxygen would pass the House right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tea Party caucus showed up with oxygen tanks and masks to be honest.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.Everything is going to die in the House. This is an attempt to dislodge vulnerable swing-state Republicans in the House by making them look like unfeeling monsters.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.Really? Where did you get that number and why wasn't that enough to get the Plan B passed?
edit: Also just because they were willing to vote for Boehner's plan that doesn't mean they'd vote for a Democratic one. It also doesn't mean the Democrats would vote for his plan.
edited 29th Dec '12 5:29:48 PM by Kostya
It's not just the 22 Tea Partiers who voted openly, it's the 200+ waiting to primary anyone who so much as thinks the word "compromise"
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.@Kosty.
I quoted a Slate article a couple pages back.
And yes, it only took 22 house representatives to have plan B failed.
Actually Bohenner could have passed his plan B. He had the votes. 23 nays would sink his plan and he had only 22 nays. But he didnt want to risk being humilliated by a last second nay. He just didnt had enough confidence his measure would pass all do he had the votes he needed, but just barely.
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.As I said, democrats couldnt be in a better position.
Republicans will look bad no matter what they do. The narrative at last is against them (do the media has done its best to put some blame on the dems to and make it seem like its just partisan bickery when a party is actually holding the country hostage).
I have confidence that over 100 house representatives would vote in favour of a democrat bill, if it passed the senate and where introduced in the house after the fiscal cliff.
What do you mean? It proves my point. That there are 400 something house represntatives in the house, and 22 hard core tea partiers.
edited 29th Dec '12 5:57:43 PM by Baff
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.You guys realize that if the economy collapses, the narrative will change, right? It's not going to be "the Republicans are mostly responsible for obstruction." It's going to be "the government sucks and is the reason you now have no job."
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.We'll see. Obama had to own everything sucking from 2008 to 2010 because of, well, all the effort being spent on the health care bill. But congress has become *the* villain of the day, and the Republicans control the house. I don't think that narrative will change. Plan B was Boehner's effort to change it, and he failed. We may go over the cliff and see shit hit the fan, but the Republicans aren't going to avoid the blame.
But, who cares? They've rigged the system beyond all reckoning. Democrats took the majority of votes, and still hold a minority in the house. The Republicans don't need to worry about their own unpopularity anymore-they only have to worry about primary challengers.
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@UY: Didn't Thorn post links to a poll indicating that a majority of Americans blame Republicans for the gridlock just a few pages ago? (and by few I mean twenty)
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

I like this idea.
edited 29th Dec '12 4:54:16 PM by Kostya