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Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
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#45276: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:24:04 AM

@Baff

At least the Dems aren't out of their mind with massive troll logic.

http://www.desmogblog.com/more-evidence-republicans-are-more-factually-challenged-democrats

Not only that but more lies have been spewed by Repubs than Dems ever have.

Romney is a testament to your usual pinhead Republican.

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45277: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:26:38 AM

[up]

why is it a wild claim.

Republicans and democrats agree on invading countries without war declarations, tortuting prisoners, executing people with drones out of mere suspission, wiretapping foreigners and nationals, even in a domestic context, without warrants (so long 4th ammendment), tax cuts for the rich, cuts on social security.

You know who masterminded things such as "obamacare" and "carbon taxes"? The Heritage Fundation...

Sure democrats are in favour of a few issues that dont really bother corporations, such as abortion and gay marriage, but they will vote to give AT&T all the leaway to steal your information, or to give virizon the capacity to violate net neutrality....

edited 29th Dec '12 8:27:42 AM by Baff

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Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
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#45278: Dec 29th 2012 at 8:35:39 AM

@Baff

That is a heavily baseless claim.

9/11 is probably the only example of such an incident. People were red with rage and couldn't think clearly after that incident. It's similar with the Newtown shooting. Once there are cold-blooded casualties people want to act.

Also that "Obamacare" and "Carbon Taxes" you just said, stop there. That's heavily bordering people who claim 9/11 was an inside job logic.

Also dude that thing with giving companies such as AT&T information it's a sort of type of logic. If it'll help prevent such major incidents it has my support. Also it's not like it will wreck the fun you have with your friends on the phone. If it's a misunderstanding you have to understand the level of sensitivity people are to such terrible incidents occurring again.

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45279: Dec 29th 2012 at 10:50:00 AM

[up]

Lets just agree to disagree.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#45280: Dec 29th 2012 at 11:08:46 AM

@Baff: I don't think the Democrats CAN give in even if they wanted to. They offered the Republicans a horrible, Social Security-cutting, rich-protecting compromise, and the Republicans rejected it. Boehner came up with an even more awful Plan B, and his own caucus rejected it.

What can the Democrats offer? The repeal of the Voting Rights Act? The abolition of Social Security altogether? Anything insane enough to appease the Tea Party caucus won't pass the Senate, even if Harry Reid and Obama wanted it to, because any Dem senator willing to vote for it would be committing political suicide, as would many of the more moderate Republican senators. Democrats "folding" to the Republican House requires that the Republican House actually be capable of doing anything. It's not.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#45281: Dec 29th 2012 at 11:20:18 AM

Any reason why we can't just say "you want tax cuts preserved, we want spending preserved, let's just not balance the budget and continue deficit spending"?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#45282: Dec 29th 2012 at 11:23:00 AM

Triv, because that would make them look like they don't care about the debt problem.

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#45283: Dec 29th 2012 at 11:23:09 AM

[up][up]You mean the status quo? That would require repealing the entire sequester, something that Congress would have to vote on. And remember how we got here in the first place: a last ditch deal to raise the debt ceiling. The next vote on that is fast approaching, and the consequences of screwing that up are orders of magnitude worse than the "fiscal cliff".

edited 29th Dec '12 11:23:29 AM by Fighteer

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#45284: Dec 29th 2012 at 11:24:44 AM

[up][up][up]

Because that would be too Keynesian, And That's Terrible.

But in all honesty I dont know.

edited 29th Dec '12 11:27:57 AM by Baff

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#45285: Dec 29th 2012 at 12:32:37 PM

Many republicans swore a blood oath to Norquist never to raise taxes by a cent.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45287: Dec 29th 2012 at 2:01:51 PM

[up] Cost of living and education is just getting too high. People literally cant afford it, while the rich keep getting richer. prices go up but income doesnt. think of how familys used to easily live off of just the dad working. now in most familys both parents have to work and they still struggle.

I'm baaaaaaack
Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#45288: Dec 29th 2012 at 2:15:35 PM

@Baff

Hmm that sounds fair.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45289: Dec 29th 2012 at 2:20:49 PM

[up][up]I know. You know when these things started stagnating? The eighties. Someone remind me who was president at that time.

Honestly the minimum wage either needs to be raised or tied into the salary of the highest paid employee and college tuition needs to be reined in. 40K maximum for one year sounds about right. Anything else is simply too expensive and even that is hard for most families.

My family is going to have trouble sending me to college and we're not exactly living outside our means. We rarely eat out, there are only three of us (plus two cats), and we have never been on a vacation that's more than five hours away from our home (so we don't fly on planes). We probably spend more on food than we need to but we're not exactly living the high life compared to most of my friends yet we're still struggling to pay for things. It's ridiculous.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45290: Dec 29th 2012 at 2:57:56 PM

[up] I can relate. we've gone on exactly 2 vacations in my life farther than the state next to us. we do have some luxuries(we have a 21ft boat) but it's not excessive.*

My dad gets payed pretty well but my mom can't get a job since she hadn't had a job in a few years, so no one wants to hire her.

edited 29th Dec '12 3:01:48 PM by Joesolo

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45291: Dec 29th 2012 at 3:12:50 PM

I don't know 'bout all ya'll, but I grew up with a life of privledge. Went to Disney World once a year for a while.

That ended a bit before I graduated High School though, and things went to shit pretty quickly.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45292: Dec 29th 2012 at 3:36:40 PM

[up] Yea, most of my family is more in that line of things.

not that some of them can really afford it. It might be me but I like living in a real house rather than a tiny little thing with 4 rooms and going to disney every year.

edited 29th Dec '12 3:37:57 PM by Joesolo

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#45293: Dec 29th 2012 at 3:38:37 PM

<Lives in a 2 bedroom 2 bath apartment...>

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#45294: Dec 29th 2012 at 3:45:28 PM

[up] sorry, i don't mean to offend you. but they live in a really small house and spend alot on stuff like tvs, game systems, brand new suv...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45297: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:09:45 PM

For some reason I didn't immediately realize it was a joke.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45298: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:11:28 PM

Well, we all assume that these things are in The Onion, so when it turned out it was in the New Yorker, we must have assumed it was legit.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
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#45300: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:50:18 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/illinois-gay-marriage_n_2377835.html

First bud and now gay marriage

BEA-UTIFUL cool

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