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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#44951: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:28:16 PM

Tagg Romney: My dad had no desire to be president.

George H.W. Bush still hospitalized

Norquist: Democrats using Newtown for Political Purposes

7 possible scenarios on how the fiscal cliff debate would end

edited 23rd Dec '12 12:31:46 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44952: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:32:34 PM

Then why was he so broken up when he lost?

Norquist, screw you. It's not like your side isn't doing the same damn thing.

edited 23rd Dec '12 12:38:13 PM by Kostya

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#44953: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:41:02 PM

If Romney had no desire to run then why the hell did he spend the better part of a decade trying to win the White House? Was he motivated by divine mandate? A belief in destiny? Boredom?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44954: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:44:02 PM

He probably did want to win and his son is just bullshitting.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#44955: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:53:28 PM

Or another theory: he wanted to run, but didn't want to become the candidate.

When he finally got the candidacy, he decided to go full out.

Or his son fully believes he didn't want to run. Parents can hide that from their kids.

Or he was just bullshitting on behalf of his father.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44956: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:56:56 PM

I go with option 3. Based on everything I know about Romney the other two don't sound anything like him.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#44957: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:57:04 PM

I find it darkly amusing that the crux of gun rights is that it doesn't take regulation to not be idiots about guns, but the loudest proponents are hell-bent on demonstrating exactly why it does, but the crux of banning them is that the government isn't a hostile entity you might conceivably have to defend yourself against, when they also seem hell-bent on demonstrating that they very much are.

It's like everyone woke up one day and decided to start fulfilling each other's prophecies.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44958: Dec 23rd 2012 at 12:59:50 PM

[up]What are you talking about? The government is not being hostile by trying to make its citizens safe. It's not like we have people advocating the FBI or police busting down people's doors and forcibly taking their guns from them. That would be tyranny. What gun control people are suggesting is not tyranny so don't say that it is.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#44959: Dec 23rd 2012 at 1:11:42 PM

Stop and frisk, the NYPD is basically one man's personal thug squad, we have a city in Arkansas deciding Soviet Russia was a good model, the FBI shooting unarmed suspects on shaky intel, whistleblowers get jailed indefinitely for calling out trigger-happy soldiers, Occupy just showed us that meaningful protest will be violently locked down, almost complete refusal to investigate abuse of power in law enforcement. And that's just the wide-scale epidemic problems, not counting things like a lady in Florida getting stuffed in the cops' trunk then strip-searched on the roadside, officers raping a dude with a baton in the New York subway, etc.

edited 23rd Dec '12 1:15:50 PM by Pykrete

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44960: Dec 23rd 2012 at 2:24:57 PM

@ Medinoc: The 2nd Amendment protects those arms that are suitable for military use (regulated militia) for the individual soldier, as per the ruling in the US vs. Miller. This is why things like sawed-off shotguns are able to be regulated, because no one has ever decided to make them for the military. (This is also the biggest argument against an assault weapon ban)

That said, You can actually put whatever you want on a car. You can do just about almost anything you want on your own land, so long as it doesn't violate certain laws.

You can own a tank, with cannons, or a rocket launcher. You can own explosives, within a reasonable amount of course. You can put guns on a mount, etc. You just have to operate it on private land (excepting those public land where it is allowed). But since the road is regulated, you can't really bring most of that into the public because of the laws that say what kind of cars can be brought onto the road.

Glove and Boots is good for Blog!
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44961: Dec 23rd 2012 at 4:47:55 PM

Who names their kid Tagg?

What gun control people are suggesting is not tyranny so don't say that it is.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A TYRANT WOULD SAY!

edited 23rd Dec '12 4:57:31 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#44962: Dec 23rd 2012 at 5:00:04 PM

[up] Tagg is short for Taggart.

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44963: Dec 23rd 2012 at 5:17:14 PM

Oh...

Who names their kid Taggart?

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44965: Dec 23rd 2012 at 6:51:31 PM

"That's exactly what X would say!" is not a retort. It is a refusal to respond. Jeeze, can we take debates seriously?

<Deliberately isn't participating in the gun control debate because it's not a hot button issue and also little opinion, but still>

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#44966: Dec 23rd 2012 at 7:39:46 PM

Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) was arrested for DWI in a Washington, D.C. suburb.

Considering the stuff that's happening in the Capitol, I don't blame him, but that still doesn't excuse him.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44967: Dec 23rd 2012 at 7:40:00 PM

Deviant, what would a person that is not a tyrant say?

Pyrkete: Those things are terrible but I fail to see what they have to do with guns. Please don't change the subject.

edited 23rd Dec '12 7:40:18 PM by Kostya

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#44968: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:06:09 PM

What they have to do with it is that if people want to keep private guns because they're paranoid about the government and long arm of the law turning hideously corrupt, oppressive, and revolution-worthy, it's probably a really fucking stupid idea to prove their point.

edited 23rd Dec '12 8:07:39 PM by Pykrete

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44969: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:08:17 PM

If the government was truly revolution worthy having guns would not change a damn thing. Guns do not stop a tank driving down the street and they certainly won't help if they decide to carpet bomb the offending area. I'm sorry but this is not the early twentieth century. A ground invasion would be an absolute last resort. Even if they did do that good luck combating their superior armor and training even if you have assault weapons.

edited 23rd Dec '12 8:08:39 PM by Kostya

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#44970: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:11:18 PM

Take away enough from someone, they won't really care.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44971: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:13:02 PM

What? I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand the meaning of that sentence. Are you talking about rights? I'm sorry but I don't exactly think a person's right to have easy access to a gun is worth protecting. I don't think they should be outright banned but restrictions are far more sensible than not having any. It's worked for a lot of other countries.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#44972: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:16:02 PM

Oh, I'm in favor of cracking down on unregistered sales, enforcing safety and background restrictions, etc. too. I mean, "well regulated militia" doesn't exactly sound like the kind of crazy shit you see in Texas. It means being on the ball and having your stuff in line.

What I'm saying is that if when you tell a group of paranoid rednecks with shitty hunting rifles that their fears are unfounded, they're gonna look at you real funny and be able to point to a huge laundry list right now of why that's categorically wrong.

edited 23rd Dec '12 8:19:52 PM by Pykrete

Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#44973: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:18:19 PM

i agree with the general thrust of Pykrete's point, but I don't think the average gun owner cares all that much about stop and frisk or the Occupy crackdown

just saying

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44974: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:18:36 PM

Frankly that's not my problem. I feel they're just paranoid idiots and even if they were right it's not like they'd be able to do much with their guns. If your argument for guns is that you need them to protect yourself from some oppressive regime then you need to get your head examined because you are not going to have any success at all. In fact I think their paranoia is part of the reason they shouldn't have guns in the first place. What if they really do snap and we have some homegrown terror cell because of this shit?

edited 23rd Dec '12 8:19:10 PM by Kostya

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#44975: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:23:00 PM

Well, that's why I led off with the other half of my post:

that it doesn't take regulation to not be idiots about guns, but the loudest proponents are hell-bent on demonstrating exactly why it does

I'm with you. Fuck those guys. But for the love of God don't prove them right in the process.


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