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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#44651: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:58:43 PM

@Nettacki: People feel very strongly about guns, and it's hard to direct the conversation path from something people are immediately emotionally invested in.

And somehow, if it's left to the courts like the article says, I doubt that any of our courts would decide it's right to hold someone without trial. This isn't something like healthcare that's got murky legal ground, after all. And as previously stated, the detention parts of the NDAA got repealed. I think by the courts, though I may be remembering wrong.

In other, also hotly debated news, this is happening:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/18/new-south-carolina-bill-pushes-jail-sentences-for-state-workers-implementing-obamacare/

edited 20th Dec '12 8:26:01 PM by AceofSpades

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#44652: Dec 20th 2012 at 9:20:43 PM

I am ashamed of my home state. :(

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44653: Dec 21st 2012 at 4:04:44 AM

It was ruled constitutional you jackass.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#44654: Dec 21st 2012 at 4:09:14 AM

you forget, republicans run on the denial of reality

edited 21st Dec '12 4:09:21 AM by Lanceleoghauni

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#44656: Dec 21st 2012 at 5:14:16 AM

[up][up]Pretty much the entire state of South Carolina runs on that. I don't know if it's still true but into the 21st century the first item of legislation the South Carolina House and Senate take up at the beginning of every season was a proposal to secede.

Trump delenda est
SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#44657: Dec 21st 2012 at 5:40:41 AM

So what I think happened is...

Boehner tries a plan that will, he hopes, take the "reasonable and willing to accomodate" characterisation away from the democrats and try to make it look a lot less like the House Republicans took the country over the cliff. Also, he probably hopes to not get close to the actual date of the cliff, as things currently are because that would make things worse for him.

He fails because his plans relies on no democrat support and he can't get the representatives of his party to support him. So he has to worry about them and has to try to cut off rebellious actions which he can only do by disbanding Congress a bit early. This makes the exact opposite message that, I presume, he intended- "oh look, House Republicans damaging chances of a deal" and makes him look ineffective which makes him even less able to try and get the house on board for anything else. So now he is much more dependent on the House Democrats.

So either he does something amazing in making the D. look responsible from now on or he is now in a position where actually using the dems and marginalising some of his party and putting the blame on them so they are more likely to be kicked out in 2014 primaries (or even the elections if he prefers ruling in hell to serving in heaven) is more in his personal favour.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#44658: Dec 21st 2012 at 6:05:12 AM

And then his party revolts and kicks him out of the Speaker's chair. Mr. Boehner does not have an enviable position, but I have to admit to engaging in a great deal of schadenfreude in the matter.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#44659: Dec 21st 2012 at 6:14:57 AM

[up]Agreed. Although that Chair of his is starting to look like a prime example of a rock and a hard place, it's still... darkly amusing on a few levels watching him trying to sit in it.

edited 21st Dec '12 6:15:11 AM by Euodiachloris

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44660: Dec 21st 2012 at 6:18:07 AM

@ Devil Take Me: It'd help their case if half the time gun owners werent so gung ho about insulting people like me with comments like "anti-gun communist" as though somehiow its impossible to not masturbate about guns unless you arent american.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44662: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:42:58 AM

[up]

so..its music and movies fault that people buy guns because guns are cool and blow things up and their heroicv power fantasies of armed teachers heroically stopping shooters are totally not influenced by said movies?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#44663: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:43:12 AM

And predictably, there is no scientific evidence at all supplied there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#44664: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:44:12 AM

See, his point about putting a few cops in every school is a perfectly good one (if not particularly feasible). Why does he have to go onto a tangent about New Media Are Evil?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44665: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:44:54 AM

[up]

because guns dont kill people,. Tales from the Crypt and Elvis kill people.

Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base Since: Jan, 2001
Citizen
#44666: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:45:01 AM

That article points out the fact that gun murders have fallen over the past twenty years.

The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people. In 1993 the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people. The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.

Wolfenstein 3D, the first popular, truly violent PC FPS was released in 1992. If anything, the correlation would show that more violent video games, movie, music and TV shows actually contribute to reduce gun violence. That means, if we want to eliminate gun violence, we should give everybody universal access to the most violent games imaginable. Of course, correlation does not prove causation, but you get the point.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#44667: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:46:55 AM

Yeah, I support the cop idea (Although hilariously, Republicans keep cutting public funds...) but...

Talk about trying to pass the buck.

edited 21st Dec '12 10:48:32 AM by Thorn14

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#44668: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:50:22 AM

This is an outside observer's position, but are the Republicans morons? They have their platform, and then they take moves to prevent them from actually doing anything about it.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44669: Dec 21st 2012 at 10:53:32 AM

[up]

The platform for the most part anymore is a cheap way to coddle their voterbases with the belief theyre fighting for them, while they instead hand all power over to corporate barons.

IConfuseMe from Washington, DC Since: Jan, 2010
#44670: Dec 21st 2012 at 11:21:31 AM

My high school had security officers stationed at the entrances (three per entryway) and security checkpoints to boot. Mind you, it was a small school of only about 800 so it wasn't really that expensive to maintain. I imagine it could be pricey to scale up to a larger school with more students but I think that a worthy cause for a tax increase. And it did worked too. On more than one occasion they confiscated weaponry.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#44671: Dec 21st 2012 at 11:24:30 AM

The conservatives fought against any Tax Increase though.

Sounds like we are going off that cliff.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#44672: Dec 21st 2012 at 11:46:36 AM

I will double down on my predications. Congress will cut taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the rest, cut Social Security, cut Medicare and cut Medicade. Democrats, Republicans, corporate executives and labour leaders have all agreed to it

edited 21st Dec '12 11:48:54 AM by Sledgesaul

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44673: Dec 21st 2012 at 11:48:15 AM

Congress won't be back in session until after Christmas. Obama caves a lot, but he's not going to cave *that much* in just five days.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#44674: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:16:38 PM

Tax cuts on the rich are impossible right now, not when there's so much opposition to it and the Speaker himself trying to increase it.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44675: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:17:12 PM

Herman Cain: New York Times is 'racist,' 'deserves widespread censure'

I will double down on my predications. Congress will cut taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the rest, cut Social Security, cut Medicare and cut Medicade. Democrats, Republicans, corporate executives and labour leaders have all agreed to it

Then they will create a national holiday based around kicking puppies, declare war on all of Asia, and make Herman Cain the new Secretary of State

edited 21st Dec '12 12:22:45 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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