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Lost in Space
#44626: Dec 20th 2012 at 1:27:39 PM

They figure they can sell it as not affecting current retirees, under the theory that people won't care about shit that won't affect them for 10+ years.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44627: Dec 20th 2012 at 1:55:53 PM

[up]

nevermind that didnt work last time. But yes. The general idea is they can rely on grandma to only care about her social security check, not the social security check of her infant granddaughter.

Unsurprisingly. theyre usually WRONG.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44629: Dec 20th 2012 at 3:51:38 PM

so they just make it easy for everyone and say no.
Which is exactly what gun rights activists are afraid of: curtailing their legitimate and reasonable rights in the name of casting a wide enough net to catch the bad guys — and hey, if it affects legit gun owners too, well, the people supporting the legislation typically aren't, so why should they care?

The problem is that instead of focusing on the problem (people deciding to go on nihilistic and frequently suicidal sprees of violence), gun-control advocates focus on guns. Guns are not the problem, they just magnify the problem. It should be completely possible to address the problem without also kicking legitimate gun owners in the balls, but gun control advocates generally aren't interested in doing so, which makes gun rights advocates oppose everything they say as a knee-jerk reaction.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44630: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:18:26 PM

Newark Mayor Cory Booker announced today that he will not run against Governor Chris Christie in 2013, depriving New Jersey Democrats of a candidate many viewed as their best shot at unseating the popular Republican incumbent. Instead he will be running for a seat in the Senate.

Senator Rand Paul warns indefinite detention is back

Sarah Palin: TIME is irrelevant - after all, I was "Person of the Year" too

"I mean consider their list of the most influential people in the country and the world, some who have made that list — yours truly!" Palin said. "That ought to tell you something right there regarding the credence we should give Time magazine and their list of people."

She kinda has a point.

edited 20th Dec '12 4:21:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#44631: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:22:20 PM

Taoist: I am not sure where you got that blurb I was pointing out that if both officers, who were already alerted in case you missed that, to an armed attacker had engaged him at the same time their chances of knocking him down and ending it would have gone up drastically. Notice he did not attack anyone with guns funny that seems to be the case a lot.

Instead he chose a spot he knew would have no one who was armed and enacted his plan. He didn't target anyone who could stop him. He targeted those whou could not fight back effectively so he could do as much damage as possible. Funny how that works. Always selecting targets that can't really fight back or have little or no active protection against such a threat. Gee that doesn't sound familiar at all.

Here is another common theme. The vast majority of these spree shooters needed some serious mental health care help. Not just pill popping but serious mental help. If anything our horrifically broken health care system contributes more to our violence issues then our weapons.

Who watches the watchmen?
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#44632: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:30:10 PM

Wait, I'm confused. Did he shoot someone who tried to pull a gun on him or not?

Anyways, you won't get an argument from me on asking for mental health services, but going after the "cray cray" isn't the same problem and shouldn't be treated as such. There are cultural arguments.

edited 20th Dec '12 4:30:31 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#44633: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:30:35 PM

Sarah Palin.

Actually has a point.

Well, I guess the world really is ending.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44634: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:41:09 PM

so basically she's proving Time means nothing because she's a loser?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44635: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:45:42 PM

[up][up]A broken clock is right twice a day.

edit: Honestly I wouldn't say she doesn't deserve to win. It's not often one person manages to torpedo an entire presidential campaign. She was also fairly influential on our culture at the time even if it's for the wrong reasons.

edited 20th Dec '12 4:47:02 PM by Kostya

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44637: Dec 20th 2012 at 4:58:09 PM

When even Sarah Palin realizes how ridiculously stupid something is... yeah.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#44638: Dec 20th 2012 at 5:12:07 PM

Hasan shot someone who was actively firing at him (the first officer on the scene) The second officer on the scene was fired on by Hasan after he asked for Hasan to surrender. Hasan did not verbally respond but instead turned and fired at the second officer who returned fire (at this point he was likely already aimed in on Hasan when he issued the command to surrender) the second officer was on target and dropped Hasan and then disarmed him while he lay on the ground wounded. Everyone else was unarmed.

Some tried to use random objects as weapons but it was rather ineffective. He was physically attacked in kind by unarmed soldiers and one civilian. Everyone who tried that approach got shot.

It is more then just going after the insane it is making sure people can get the help when they need it. I can agree we also have a huge cultural issue with mental health and stigmatizing it to the point no one wants to get said help.

Who watches the watchmen?
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#44639: Dec 20th 2012 at 5:42:13 PM

Okay, so the two officers approached him separately rather than as a pair? Just trying to get the events straight.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44640: Dec 20th 2012 at 6:41:22 PM

Senator Dan Coats (R-IN): Chuck Hagel 'Has Had So Much Disrespect for the Military'

LGBT Rights Groups Call Hagel's Comments About Gay Nominee in 1998 “Unacceptable”

edited 20th Dec '12 6:45:40 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#44641: Dec 20th 2012 at 6:49:43 PM

I like how people conveniently ignored my link that details a potentially catastrophic law of citizens about to be sent to prison without trial and instead talk about gun control.

edited 20th Dec '12 6:52:01 PM by Nettacki

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44642: Dec 20th 2012 at 6:51:54 PM

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My guns are more important than other people's freedom!

Allen West: Hillary Clinton caught ‘Benghazi flu’

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Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#44643: Dec 20th 2012 at 6:53:42 PM

[up]lol.

But seriously, the article I posted is one of few articles actually covering the subject, yet a lot of you don't seem to care about your real rights being repealed.

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#44644: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:00:31 PM

[up] Part of it for me is the rather Hysterical, Conspiracy theorist air that that article has. Especially since the indefinite detention part of NDAA has been repealed. It just feels like something written from an shed in the rural backwoods, by someone with an unhealthy amount of weaponry, and a desire to take on big gubmint when it comes to take away our freedoms.

I won't say I'm not disturbed by pushes such as NDAA and the Patriot act, but we've suffered worse violations of civil liberties. It calls for contentiousness objection, not blind panic. Hopefully now that we're getting into more of a peacetime, war-weary mood, we can roll back some of that shit.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44646: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:04:12 PM

Ex-South Carolinian Governor Mark Sanford to launch congressional bid

Hey, he finally got back from Argentina.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#44647: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:05:21 PM

Well, he at least has the advantage of knowing what dirty laundry they'll pull out to air against him.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#44648: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:15:52 PM

Yes. The first officer rolled up in her vehicle and ended up exchanging gun fire. She was hit three times. Once by a fragment from a round that hit something else, the fragment hit her in the hand. She had one bullet hit her knee and the other hit her thigh which shattered her femur. She fell over and was then quickly disarmed by Hasan.(She survived if you were wondering)

The second officer arrived a short time later and ordered Hasan to surrender. Hasan turned and fired on him. The officer fired back. Hasan was hit five times and critically injured. He passed out shortly after being hit. He was captured after that.

It is widely considered in the military that the casualties would have likely been higher had the armed officer not stopped Hasan at that point.

Now I am not saying arm everyone or even arm teachers that just doesn't work out in consideration for the quality of the shooters. But ensuring some form of armed protection is on hand or nearby can help stop rampages from progressing further.

Also improving our mental health care (seriously as it exists now is rather frightening) and making sure people can access it or get others access to it when needed would go a long ways to helping. I am also think adding in a mental health requirement for fire arms ownership should be be paired with your background check.

Of course withour polictical climate it will be a cold day in hell before any of this really happens.

Who watches the watchmen?
Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#44649: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:17:34 PM

@ Dr Tentacles: Fair enough. But the fact that those laws found their way past all the right houses up to and including the President should have been a strong cause for concern in the first place.

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44650: Dec 20th 2012 at 7:19:54 PM

@ Nettacki and Deviant: What would you like to hear? How do you propose to attack a violation of civil liberties without emotional vitrol, seeing as there isn't as big a discourse on it?

I'm against it and the other people are too. Great.

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