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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44526: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:02:54 PM

Joe Biden To Lead a Review of U.S. Gun Policies

Senator Kerry: Sandy emergency-funding bill must include fisheries to pass

The bill includes $150 million for fisheries in states that have disaster declarations, including Mississippi and Alaska — states not hit by Hurricane Sandy.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44528: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:03:01 PM

And limiting gun culture isn't the same as trying to get rid of them.
It's still an attack on them — one that they'll push back against, which I find it difficult to fault them for. My point is the question shouldn't be "how can we limit gun culture?" it should be "how can we work together with gun culture to fix the actual problem?".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44529: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:03:12 PM

@ Devil Take Me: tell that to the people on my facebook page trying to prove how important their right to fully automatic machine guns via calling me an anti-gun communist sympathizer.

Both sides can play the 'call people names" game, y'now.

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44530: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:04:51 PM

[up]How many of them are politicians?

@ Radical Taoist: Please remember that there were no one in the facility that was armed. It was a medical facility and no one carried. The Fort Hood Shooter knew that everyone in that building was not armed because he worked there, too.

edited 19th Dec '12 7:08:47 PM by DevilTakeMe

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44531: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:05:50 PM

Senator Scott Brown (R-MA) supports federal assault weapons ban

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#44532: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:07:01 PM

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what Republicans look like in Massachusetts.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44533: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:13:27 PM

Remember that time a lone gunman entered a place filled with guns as well as professionals trained in their use, and blew away 13 people, wounding many others, before he was stopped?
Remember that time a man with a concealed carry permit helped stop a guy from randomly shooting up a bunch of innocent people? Those sorts of comments, made in that sort of tone, are exactly what's not helpful in this sort of conversation.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#44536: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:19:01 PM

[up][up][up]

During that time, Nick Meli, a concealed carry permit holder, claims that he drew his Glock 22, and took aim at Roberts but did not fire since there was an innocent person behind Roberts. Meli asserts that Roberts saw him, and that this may have contributed to Roberts' decision to commit suicide, but no independent or authoritative substantiation of this claim has been reported by authorities.

edited 19th Dec '12 7:19:30 PM by majoraoftime

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#44537: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:19:38 PM

@radical- Concealed carry helps MORE than open, not less. if one in twenty was properly trained and had a permit, crime would be a none issue.

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majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#44538: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:21:41 PM

[up] I think that's a pretty naive statement.

There's way too many variables to say that.

edited 19th Dec '12 7:23:40 PM by majoraoftime

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44539: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:30:23 PM

[up] It at least adds another option in the chance of an occurence.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#44540: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:32:50 PM

@majoraoftime: thank you.

@Joesolo: I see your point, but both an openly carried weapon and the threat of a concealed one seem to be insufficient deterrents.

@Devil Take Me: If you have knowledge of the terrain, you will strike where you know your targets are least able to protect himself. Any shooter would do the same. I would be surprised if absolutely no one in the building was armed, and even were that so, how far away were armed soldiers on a military base?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44541: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:33:20 PM

Rick Perry: Teachers should have ‘access to weapons in their school’

Perry argued that anyone with a concealed handgun license should be able to take guns on public property in Texas, including schools, and he urged legislators “to look at ways to improve safety at schools.”

“In the state of Texas, with our concealed handgun license, if you have been duly backgrounded and trained and you are a concealed-handgun-license-carrying individual, you should be able to carry your handgun anywhere in this state.” Teachers should have “access to weapons in their school,” Gov. Perry said, provided they have the proper training and license, and it should be left up to local school districts to determine their own policies in allowing firearms on their campuses.

Perry warned citizens of rash decisions from the federal government.“One of the things that I hope we don’t see from our federal government is this knee-jerk reaction from Washington, D.C., when there is an event that occurs, that they come in and they think they know the answer.”

Connecticut congressman Jim Himes challenges Texas Governor Rick Perry about his contention that teachers with concealed gun permits should be allowed to carry weapons in schools.

“Gov. Perry recently said,’(if) you are a concealed-handgun-license-carrying individual, you should be able to carry your handgun anywhere in this state.’

“To call Rick Perry’s recent statement ridiculous and offensive would be an understatement. As Chairman of the Texas Democratic Party, and as a father, I could not be more revolted by his harmful suggestion. Perry thinks that the answer to horrific violence is to have more guns in schools, and at soccer games, and frat parties, and large scale public events where alcohol and emotion already lead to too many fist fights.

“Twenty children have died, and Perry sees it as an opportunity to push his own radical agenda. Nothing could be sicker and more of an abuse of power. It is 2012, and we have a governor who thinks the answer to our societal problems is a Wild West shoot out.”

edited 19th Dec '12 7:43:39 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44542: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:36:49 PM

[up][up] Pretty far away. It's a dangerous assumption to assume that everyone in the military is armed. It's especially less true on a base in domestic America. The military police do patrol bases, but they also need to be alerted and they have procedures regarding incidents. It takes minutes to respond to a call, and by then, it's often all over.

There's a saying that says "when seconds count, the police (even military police and armed guards) are minutes away."

edited 19th Dec '12 7:37:38 PM by DevilTakeMe

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#44543: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:48:52 PM

What is it with Congressmen, and backlash against video games? It's moronic New Media is evil, there's no evidence it's ever contributed to a shooting, ever, and it's a massive waste of money. Wonder who the major backers of those sort of projects are?

edited 19th Dec '12 7:53:58 PM by DrTentacles

majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#44544: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:51:07 PM

To add to that, the most recent shooter was apparently a big fan of Starcraft... Not exactly hyper violence glorification material right there.

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44545: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:55:12 PM

Because votes work when you shift the blame to inanimate objects or works, rather than the people who should be responsible themselves. Blaming bad parents tends to alienate a significant chunk of their voting constituency, so placing the fault on something that isn't their voters is how they remain cozy.

It happened back in 1954 with the Comics Code Authority because people thought comic books were also to blame for the violence occurring during that time.

edited 19th Dec '12 7:58:01 PM by DevilTakeMe

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#44547: Dec 19th 2012 at 7:57:49 PM

It's just idiotic. People have been claiming everything from Ragtime, to fucking writing down stuff instead of the oral tradition for the corrupting of youth, and the immanent downfall of society. If society had crumbled for every moral panic about new media, we'd have all killed each other long before now. You'd think someone would be bright enough to notice the trend. It's not that hard.

Here's an idea...instead of blaming vidya games, why don't we get some decent mental health care in this nation?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44548: Dec 19th 2012 at 8:05:20 PM

Let us all remember that Socrates, the father of contemporary western philosophy, hated writing. New Media Are Evil is hardly a new thing and it hasn't destroyed society so far.

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#44549: Dec 19th 2012 at 8:15:06 PM

To be fair

Each new thing is different from the last. New Media are not merely continuations of the old media in new forms, they're changes in how we receive information.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#44550: Dec 19th 2012 at 8:17:49 PM

Seeing some people have no clue what goes on in a military base (Really not your fault as you have not been taught what goes on) lets set some things straight. This will likely be ninjad or passed by several posts. If you would like some more specific details please visit the OTC military or Gun thread. The people in those threads are more then happy to have a discussion about how things are done on a military post.

  1. Not everyone is armed. Most weapons are kept in an armory until needed. Even when you have the weapon you don't always have ammo. The two are stored seprately for safety and security reasons.
  2. The only armed people are security and military police forces and people training. Same goes for who has live ammo.
  3. Major Hasan's actions was a terrorist attack not some poor soul losing their mind and going on a killing spree.
  4. Just like in real life the response time of the nearest armed personel is directly linked to their mode of travel and distance to the problem.
  5. The first officer on the scene was shot and incapacitated by Hasan.
  6. Hasans targets with exception to two count them TWO armed military police were all unarmed soldiers. What he did was the equivilent of walking into his work place and shooting his coworkers in a common office building.
  7. Hasan passed over shooting civlians to speicfically target soldiers in uniform. One exception was the one civilian who charged him bravely and was shot and killed in the attempt.
  8. Hasan was stopped by being shot five times.
  9. There is a lot of evidence supporting Hasans actions as a terrorist attack including interacting with elements of religious extremists closely tied to terrorism. For whatever idiotic reason this was ignored and he shot soldiers.

edited 19th Dec '12 8:29:35 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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