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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#44476: Dec 19th 2012 at 1:29:26 PM

...To be honest, the non-religious vote being high, but dropping between last election and this election, is systemic of the younger voters liking Obama, but less so than last election, as the majority of the non-religious demographic is young.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#44477: Dec 19th 2012 at 1:29:29 PM

The reason fur his sudden anti-union legislation is that he lied on not to attack unions.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#44478: Dec 19th 2012 at 1:29:52 PM

@ Taoist:

Teachers might literally be gunning for him?

Oh, Crap!! [lol]

edited 19th Dec '12 1:30:15 PM by Greenmantle

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44479: Dec 19th 2012 at 1:34:35 PM

Taoist: Maybe. He probably isn't but I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. Personally that's what I'd do in this scenario.

edited 19th Dec '12 1:34:49 PM by Kostya

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44480: Dec 19th 2012 at 1:36:42 PM

I doubt that is what would happen.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#44481: Dec 19th 2012 at 1:56:46 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

This is what's happening today. One of the interviewees on MSNBC thinks it's bad that they've taken to press conferences instead of private discussions because it means things aren't getting done now. There seems to be minor revolt on the Republican side, but I think they're going to keep saying no at this point. Eesh.

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#44482: Dec 19th 2012 at 2:02:53 PM

I'm sincerely hoping that Obama's efforts to negotiate are just so he can appear reasonable, and make the republicans look at fault for the fiscal cliff. However, he's been very much of an appeaser except for a few, select issues, so I'm going to wait and see how the chips fall.

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Lost in Space
#44483: Dec 19th 2012 at 2:03:20 PM

[up][up]Good. Better that both sides continue to say no than that we reach a "compromise" that harms Americans but is treated as a victory by one or both sides.

edited 19th Dec '12 2:03:27 PM by Fighteer

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44485: Dec 19th 2012 at 4:52:13 PM

Those parents are fucking morons and deserve to be put in jail. I can't believe giving a deadly weapon to a pre-teen isn't a crime.

edited 19th Dec '12 4:52:28 PM by Kostya

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#44486: Dec 19th 2012 at 4:52:26 PM

Hahahahaahahhahahahaha....what the fuck?

...I was smarter than that when I was a 6th grader. And when I say than that, I mean both the parents, and the kid. Jesus.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44487: Dec 19th 2012 at 4:53:28 PM

You know this is exactly what I was saying earlier. Arming the fuck out of everyone probably won't solve a damn thing, it will just make tragedies more likely to happen since people could fly off the handle and reach for the nearest deadly object. What if this kid got pissed and actually did open fire on several people? Ugh...

edited 19th Dec '12 4:53:51 PM by Kostya

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
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#44488: Dec 19th 2012 at 4:55:20 PM

Our level of education in the US is abysmal. I'd rather we work on making that tougher. That... was the biggest failure of common sense I've ever seen.

[up] You live your life in fear and paranoia, if you keep asking questions like that. What if my brakes fail when I drive home in the afternoon? What if the guy next to me can't drive? Etc. etc. Etc.

If something bad is headed for you, there is nothing you can do about it except be prepared.

edited 19th Dec '12 4:56:34 PM by DevilTakeMe

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44489: Dec 19th 2012 at 4:57:02 PM

To do that we'd have to have funding for education but the same people advocating we give guns to everyone are against that.

[up]I don't live my life that way. Also I think the person that feels the need to bring a gun with them everywhere is a heck of a lot more paranoid than me.

edit: Again, even if I had a gun I doubt I would be prepared for a shooter. It's just the way things fucking are which is why I see no point in ever owning one.

edited 19th Dec '12 4:58:52 PM by Kostya

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
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#44490: Dec 19th 2012 at 4:59:12 PM

[up] Neither do I. But guess what? You're acting paranoid when you start going down that road.

The simplest thing to do is be a parent and not blame inanimate objects. Again, better education.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44491: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:01:52 PM

[up]How am I being paranoid? The kid had a gun he shouldn't have had and almost started something. It's not irrational on my part.

I do blame the parents and I also blame the kid. I also see the gun as the murder weapon it is and do not want it in the hands of a mentally undeveloped individual that is prone to emotional outbursts over minor slights.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#44492: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:06:15 PM

In light of recent events, I don't think it's paranoia to be concerned when people are giving guns to kids or suggesting that teachers walk around schools with guns. It's not paranoia, it's very reasonable concern that anyone would suggest or do such a thing. And this dumbass kid actively threatened another, so why are people suggesting we buy more guns to arm more people when all this is going to do is scare the hell out of children and lead to more harm? Jesus.

Those parents need a slap in the face and the kid deserves expulsion for that stupid stunt.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44493: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:07:17 PM

The kid was expelled. I also think he should be taken from his parents but that probably won't happen.

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44494: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:07:33 PM

Which is why I just said that better education was necessary for the child and the parents.

The first rule for any child is that GUNS ARE NOT TOYS.

There's four simple rules for any child who encounters a gun.

1. Stop what you're doing. 2. Don't touch the gun. 3. Leave it and move away from the area of a gun. 4. Tell an adult that it is there.

This child literally violated all four because of the stupidity of either his parents and himself.

edited 19th Dec '12 5:07:59 PM by DevilTakeMe

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44495: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:09:04 PM

[up]I know that but that doesn't change the fact that some people will always be stupid and do not deserve to have guns.

edit: Teaching only works if the kids are willing to learn and agree with you. Someone in the editorial for my paper had a good point. Make owning guns socially unacceptable like smoking or drunk driving. Peer pressure can be a powerful tool when used properly. Granted it won't stop all violence but it could help a lot.

edited 19th Dec '12 5:13:33 PM by Kostya

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#44496: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:09:31 PM

Alright, mending something I misread:

The parents didn't encourage the kid to bring the gun to school

He made the claim they did. The gun was actually left at their house by a family member over the weekend.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44497: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:10:44 PM

[up]Oh really? The article seems to indicate differently.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#44498: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:14:00 PM

Some of the comments are saying that. I guess follow up is needed.

Still say the kid needs suspension and some time attended in one of those special classes they use for offenders. Shit. My brother was in one for different reasons but I can't remember what it was called. Basically they literally watched the kids every minute.

Edit: Alternative school.... I guess it doesn't have a particular name other than alternate.

edited 19th Dec '12 5:14:34 PM by AceofSpades

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#44499: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:17:31 PM

Police are investigating if the parents told him to or not.

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44500: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:32:09 PM

The owner of the gun needs a serious punch in the face, too. You don't leave your guns lying around.

Biggest mistake you'll ever see. People leave them out, even if they have a proper storage unit for them.

What causes the most security problems at airports? People who forgot that they were using their locking luggage as a container for their gun and just put clothes in there and took it to the airport without remembering it was in there.

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