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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44376: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:13:13 PM

Never going to happen. There would be rioting and violence.

Also an assault rifle ban would do nothing, since most people dont even know what the term means.

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#44377: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:14:33 PM

[up][up] Where is the people who actually mandate these laws saying that? What somebody says on a blog or youtube isn't necessarily what is going to be put on the books.

There are already laws saying what kind of guns people are allowed to buy now, and machine guns and artillery are already in the hands of some people in the general public.

No one can buy a new machine gun, not since 1986. The ones out there are just those that existed before then.

edited 18th Dec '12 7:15:11 PM by DevilTakeMe

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44378: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:15:04 PM

If someone (of real political significance) ever suggested we radically change one of our Amendments, chaos would ensue throughout the land. Cats would bark and dogs would meow. The nation's milk would all instantly go sour. The sun would be forever engulfed by the night, and the streets would run blue with the blood of the innocent.

[up]

Or bought on the black market.

edited 18th Dec '12 7:21:45 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#44379: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:18:34 PM

Doesnt really sound too fair. if someone's house is broken into and their guns are stolen from a safe, is it still their fault?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44380: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:20:54 PM

I don't think gun insurance is such a good idea. Stealing a gun and keeping it hidden is a lot easier than doing the same with a car.

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
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#44381: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:23:29 PM

Here's the problem of changing the second amendment. It doesn't say guns or muskets or bazookas or swords or tanks. It says "arms". Right now, the most modern arms are those that are used now - we don't use machine guns, although we could and for many decades, we did.

The laws have to determine what are arms without violating what is at its most core in our basic ideals, the amendments.

Hilariously, under law, the muskets and rifles at the writing of the Bill of Rights are not even considered arms any more.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44382: Dec 18th 2012 at 7:35:31 PM

It wasn't even a machine gun that did the killing. It was a semi automatic rifle, just like any normal hunting rifle. It just looked like a war rifle.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#44384: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:02:07 PM

The Arizona state Republican Party chairman and two other Electoral voters attempted to use Arizona's recording of Electoral ballots in order to raise support for birthers.

In other news, a large number of desks collapsed today. Officers on the scene have noted the desks seemed to have incurred a large amount of force. Many owners of these desks were sent to the hospital with minor injuries to the forehead and were later released.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:02:19 PM by tclittle

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#44385: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:03:25 PM

Obama's next budget proposal? It includes $400 billion in cuts to health care programs, including Medicare.

I warned you guys.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:06:17 PM by Serocco

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44386: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:04:36 PM

It would have to. Concessions on both sides need to be made.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44388: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:07:14 PM

I'm still amazed the Republicans have offered to raise tax rates on the rich.

And I'm still debating we the we should go over the cliff or not. What do you guys think?

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44389: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:07:31 PM

No. Going over the cliff = bad.

I care more about our economy than some political vendetta or whatever that may occur against the Republicans.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:07:53 PM by Thorn14

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44390: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:08:53 PM

I warned you guys that Obama would move to cut the social programs.

[up] The Grand Bargain, ala the cuts to the social programs, will harm the economy anyway.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:09:24 PM by Serocco

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#44391: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:10:10 PM

It's a question of quantity and quality. Read the linked article. It gives the political calculus involved.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#44392: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:10:56 PM

Also, the payroll tax cut would expire under Obama's proposal.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44393: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:10:56 PM

I expected cuts to social security.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#44394: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:13:28 PM

The argument has been made, fairly convincingly, that going over the cliff isn't an immediate and irreversable disaster. The reasons Republicans want to cave now, if that is indeed what they're doing, is because supposedly that after the cliff they'd be in a far worse bargaining position than they are now. It's not really about a vendetta, it's about Democrats and Obama proving to the Republicans they're not putting up with this constant blocking of any progress whatsoever. And finally managing to get them to come to the table with something and do their damn jobs.

Also, some people are, currently, questioning the Second Amendment. MSNBC anchors, with some of the sentiments in congresspeople if not the words. It's... kind of surreal. But yeah, the argument is being made that we shouldn't let ourselves be bound too closely by a law made when the most advanced thing we had was a musket that took several minutes to reload. I've mentioned before how much technology has changed. A law that can't change in the face of social and technological changes probably isn't a law worth keeping.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:14:36 PM by AceofSpades

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44395: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:13:31 PM

Total Social Security cuts would be at $112 billion dollars. That's $1,272 per yea, picked out of your pocket.

If you were on Social Security for over 30 years, that would cost you $28,000 with these laws.

Furthermore, the "Chained CPI", as listed in Obama's plan, raises taxes on the middle class instead of the rich.

I say again. I warned you.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:14:21 PM by Serocco

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#44396: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:15:08 PM

I'll need links to that.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#44397: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:15:44 PM

Serocco, please stop repeating yourself like that. It makes me give zero fucks about anything you say.

Krugman makes a good point about how raising the eligibility age is worse than cuts, though.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44398: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:15:44 PM

[up][up] Links to what?

[up] It's not set in stone, but the fact remains that Obama wants to cut the social programs.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:17:28 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44399: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:16:54 PM

Of course the Social Programs are getting cut.

That's inevitable at this point, no matter what rout we take.

Still...

Part of me thinks we should take the grand bargain just to see the fit the Tea Party and Norquist throw when Boehner raises taxes. Speaking of Norquist he's gotten really quite lately. I wonder if he's plotting anything.

@ Serocco

And if you were in Obama's place what rout would you have taken?

Also, the payroll tax cut would expire under Obama's proposal.

....Is this a good or bad thing?

edited 18th Dec '12 8:20:34 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44400: Dec 18th 2012 at 8:20:21 PM

I would cut the defense budget. I would raise taxes back to the Clinton era rates. I would leave the social programs alone.

edited 18th Dec '12 8:24:19 PM by Serocco

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