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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I think that hydrogen fuel is just about the only thing that you can "burn" and not get CO2.
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It's complicated. The refineries to make ethanol still generate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses, and the difference is between coal and "eco-friendly wood chips".
And then it depends on your car, as older cars aren't really meant to run with ethanol, while new ones are, etc. etc. etc. Lot of factors go into that.
Glove and Boots is good for Blog!Might take awhile for fuel-cells to get going. Hydrogen requires a new set up for storing and transporting hydrogen (more emmissions required for the process) plus costs.
To my knowledge, there's only like two hydrogen fuel stations in the country. Maybe more, since it's been a little bit of time.
Chicken and the egg. Do we need the cars set up first? Or the fuel stations?
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you'll either need the stations first, or you'll need home-systems. cant use the cars without a way to fuel them.
IMO, just subsidize the gas stations to install the needed equipment. or some kind of loan system where they pay back once it's profitable.
edited 16th Dec '12 5:30:39 PM by Joesolo
I'm baaaaaaackReport: Obama to Likely Nominate Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense
Now this is interesting.
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Governor says Pennsylvania won't set up Obamacare health exchange.
I'm pretty sure anything you burn with carbon in it going to result in CO 2.
Fight smart, not fair.? Hydrogen gas is naturally diatomic
. Hydrogen gas is H2. H on it's own will start bonding to things.
Would you like an explanation of the chemistry?
Fight smart, not fair.BTW Here's an update of Obamacare's implementation by State and Territory:
Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming have refused to implement Obamacare by refusing to set up exchanges — thus ensuring that the federal government sets them up instead.
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, Washington D.C., and West Virginia will all implement Obamacare at a State level.
Arkansas, Delaware, Illinois, and North Carolina have engaged in hybrid Federal-state partnerships to implement Obamacare.
Utah is an odd one. It implemented a health insurance exchange before the federal Affordable Care Act was passed to help small businesses obtain insurance coverage for their employees. Utah Governor Gary Herbert is asking President Barack Obama to approve the state's health insurance exchange and declare that it meets the requirements of the federal health overhaul.
The American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the US Virgin Islands are all exempt. Although that might change for Puerto Rico due to its recent vote for statehood.
In total that means that:
27 States will have the Federal Government set up Obamacare.
18 States and Washington D.C. will set up Obamacare by themselves.
4 States will work with the Federal Government to set up Obamacare.
And Utah doesn't know what it will do.
edited 16th Dec '12 10:06:32 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016@Ace of Spades: I really fucking hope you're right about that - I want my fucking affordable healthcare, dammit!!! If South Carolina ain't gonna give me something I not just need, but deserve as a fucking citizen, then I ain't dying for this state or its BS.
The feds better fucking step in and do their job in this regard if they want any reason for me not to turn on them when things get bad enough, especially with something that needs to be and be made much cheaper than it is now like proper healthcare coverage!
If it sounds like I'm angry about this, you fucking bet I am! South Carolina lost any respect I had for it (which was little to none) when they decided to opt out of something everyone in this state desperately needs if one were to read up on healthcare issues about this state and how we're the worst down here at everything, regarding said subject...
My opinion on this? Anyone in power right now who refuses Obamacare is fucking scum and only looking out for big money as far as I'm concerned! Especially those states that suffer from obesity, lack of women's healthcare for BS religious noise, lack of Medicaid/Medicare resources, high death percentages from preventable injuries/diseases, etc. THERE ARE NO UPSIDES TO OPPOSING OBAMACARE. Cold. Hard. Truth!!! I sure as fuck ain't serving nor dying for this country if I can't get access to decent healthcare, period!
edited 16th Dec '12 9:45:33 PM by LostAnarchist
This is where I, the Vampire Mistress, proudly reside: http://liberal.nationstates.net/nation=nova_nacioUtah from what I've read meets the requirements of the bill. I can understand why they'd just want to keep the same infrastructure they have in place if it already meets the legal requirements. It's a waste of money to rebuild it again from scratch.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickNot all biofuels have ethanol. It's definetly worth checking out other options before doing the work to make all cars so that they can handle ethanol.
For an example: NExBTL
has been used as Aviation Fuel
.
edited 17th Dec '12 4:45:16 AM by Qeise
Laws are made to be broken. You're next, thermodynamics.

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...but back then, they weren't emissions controls or a need for a high mpg. It's the increased precision and electronic control that leads to problems these days with non-standard fuels.
Anyway, here is the Wikipedia section on Ethanol Fuel Technology
. Ethanol does require different engine design and significantly different storage.
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