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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44076: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:05:21 AM

The most important sentence was the very first.

To paraphrase: "If Obama agrees to cutting the social programs, the Republicans will raise taxes on the rich."

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#44077: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:06:16 AM

With arming the teachers...bad idea. You'll get the constant budget cuts, the kids who will do their absolute best to antagonize everyone, the parents who are furious that their precious angel isn't doing well and so on. Essentially, at its worst, teaching is a massively stressful job. You also get the kids who can get through any lock given enough time. I've known a few like that.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44078: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:08:28 AM

If we get a deal to raise taxes on the rich, that'll mean Obama agreed to cut the social programs.

If we raises taxes while also cutting spending, that still won't help the economy. It's like drinking Dayquil and Nyquil at the same time. That's number one.

Number two, we need to raise rates all the way up to 39% in order to achieve any sort of growth, economically and job-wise. The raise that Obama and Baehner propose won't be enough.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:10:07 AM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44079: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:10:46 AM

You cut entitlements we'll let you raise taxes. Frankly I hope Obama doesn't concede unless they let entitlements stay and allow taxes to rise above pre-Bush levels. 50% sounds good right about now.

Before they were refusing to raise taxes, offering instead to 'close financial loopholes'. So this is an improvement.

Number two, we need to raise rates all the way up to 39% in order to achieve any sort of growth, economically and job-wise.

But aren't we currently experiencing economic growth? And unemployment is (slowly) falling.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:14:06 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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Bluesqueak Since: Jan, 2010
#44080: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:12:20 AM

[up][up][up]We had a case two years ago when a stressed-out teacher battered a kid with a 1.5kg dumbbell. The kid survived - and the teacher ended up with a community service order (probation) when it turned out the pupil had deliberately planned to goad the teacher.

Now, suppose that teacher had been one of the 'Concealed Carry' teachers? Would we have been looking at another multiple classroom shooting?

edited 16th Dec '12 11:12:53 AM by Bluesqueak

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44081: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:12:35 AM

It's all on Obama now.

[up] We can't stop the gun manufacture, but we can limit how many bullets they have, because not too many would want to spend over 10,000 on two bullets.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:13:46 AM by Serocco

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#44082: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:12:52 AM

[up]x4 Bullets are easy to make at home. That rule would just have people make their own ammo. It's very easy.

Besides, if you take away all the guns and ammo, you'll kill the environment of the midwest within a decade. We'll be a complete dustbowl. We have huge issues with deer overpopulation killing the foliage as it is even with hunting licenses.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:13:35 AM by shimaspawn

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RTaco Since: Jul, 2009
#44083: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:14:42 AM

Avoiding social cuts is more important than raising taxes right now, since the cuts would lead us to another recesion while a lack of tax hikes would just raise the deficit (which isn't nearly as much of a problem).

edited 16th Dec '12 11:15:35 AM by RTaco

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44084: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:14:53 AM

[up][up] And we can just outlaw people making their own bullets. Plus, you have knives. You have bats. You have rope. Use them instead of guns.

Don't cut the social programs. Recession will hit even with raised rates on rich.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:16:37 AM by Serocco

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#44085: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:16:04 AM

Really, Britain's solution seems to be the wisest: no one owns a gun except for hunting purposes.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44086: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:16:06 AM

Shima: Why would the deer be a problem now? They've lived there for thousands of years without people shooting them.

[up][up]That doesn't mean people won't do it.

[down]I get that but why is this a concern now? Shouldn't it be a dustbowl already since us killing them en masse is relatively new?

edited 16th Dec '12 11:17:08 AM by Kostya

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#44087: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:16:19 AM

[up] You'd still kill the environment. We need legal hunting and we need more of it. This is purely from an environmental stand point.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#44088: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:16:45 AM

@ R Taco

which is pretty much exactly what republicans want.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:17:02 AM by Midgetsnowman

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44089: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:17:21 AM

Deer don't pollute the environment. I don't see why we need to kill more.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44090: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:17:28 AM

I still think gun laws should be decided by individual states.

So long as

A. They don't ban guns completely (and thus violate the constitution).

and B. Have at least a 48 hour waiting period, so the Gun Shop can run a background check.

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#44091: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:18:05 AM

There is a talk that Republicans are going to let us go over the fiscal cliff in order to avoid having to take the blame for "letting the Democrats raise taxes on the rich"

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#44092: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:18:17 AM

[up][up][up]Overgrazing. The natural predators of the deer have had a major drop in population and they can't control the deer population without help.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:18:34 AM by Zendervai

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44093: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:19:10 AM

Serocco: They eat plants which makes the soil sandy and prone to being blown around by winds. This causes deadly dust storms.

Deviant: Isn't that what we already have? Training and a longer period of time or no and make it a federal requirement.

L Mage: Why though? People want taxes to come up on them. There are also polls that say if we go over it will be their fault, not Obama's.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:19:46 AM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44094: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:19:24 AM

We have problems controlling human populations, and we pollute the environment en masse even more so than deer. Does that mean we should allow for looser gun laws so more deaths can occur?

edited 16th Dec '12 11:20:22 AM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44095: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:20:14 AM

[up]Yes but what does that have to do with the deer? They are causing problems too.

edit: I should note that I'm not opposed to using guns for hunting (even though I personally wouldn't do it) so long as the person actually eats the meat. Wasting food like that bothers me.

Also the hunter and his family would need to go through the training and stuff.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:22:20 AM by Kostya

Bluesqueak Since: Jan, 2010
#44096: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:20:30 AM

Agree, overgrazing. It's like foxes in the UK (and deer). We've removed their predators. Either we are their predators, or we let them starve to death 'naturally'.

I go for us acting as their predators.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:21:01 AM by Bluesqueak

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#44097: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:22:33 AM

Deer don't pollute the environment. I don't see why we need to kill more.

Technically, that's not true. Methane (an Air pollutant) is emitted by the digestion of food by animals.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44098: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:22:39 AM

Eat the meat, drink the blood and make something out of the bones.

That's how you should deal with a dead animal.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#44099: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:25:01 AM

We might lose wheat via climate change.

Actually, no. "Might" implies we can change it. I think the better term is - we will lose wheat via climate change.

edited 16th Dec '12 11:26:00 AM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44100: Dec 16th 2012 at 11:27:48 AM

Well fuck...

Uhh...genetic engineering?


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