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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#43951: Dec 15th 2012 at 5:51:39 PM

[up] The FBI Uniform Crime Reports should be a good place to start.

Nevermind that deaths caused by guns have fallen to a record low in the last ten years, while gun ownership has been at an all time high. There's more guns in the United States than there are cars on the road, etc.

Nevermind that the two high profile gun crimes this week were caused by people stealing firearms illegally.

Under no means should people let their emotions dictate how they proceed.

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#43952: Dec 15th 2012 at 5:52:02 PM

I don't agree with teachers being armed, let alone children.

The school security having more resources and access to general police, I can agree with.

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#43953: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:07:15 PM

[up][up] which indicates that those who own firearms legally been to be made to keep them in a much more secure fashion so that they cannot be stolen. Or better yet make it so people can't store a firearm in a house where someone who would not be granted a licence lives (with a obvious exception for keeping them in a house with children).

edited 15th Dec '12 6:07:36 PM by Silasw

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43954: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:09:15 PM

You know I'd be very curious to know how most of the parents of these dead children would react if the clips of Coulter and Huckabee saying these things were played for them.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43955: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:11:01 PM

children having guns is just ridiculous. I Pray no one's been seriously suggesting that.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43956: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:13:17 PM

Coulter has. Granted she's not in any position to make this a reality but she is employed by a network that provides "news" for a large segment of the population. The fact that people aren't automatically screaming for her to be taken off the air is worrying.

edited 15th Dec '12 6:13:44 PM by Kostya

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#43957: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:16:31 PM

I gotta wonder why the NRA isn't in favor of mandatory training for gun owners, though. I mean, most of the teachers are NRA members, so wouldn't it just increase their business?

Is there some kind of weed that drowns out sanity in this country?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43958: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:18:02 PM

Training implies that it would be possible to fail which means not everyone can have guns since not everyone will pass. It's probably that simple.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#43959: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:19:25 PM

@ states letting the Government handle Obamacare regulation: I've always had the thought that the state governments wanted the government to handle it fail and then start pointing out that the feds couldn't even handle it.

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
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#43960: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:19:27 PM

[up]x7 There already ARE laws against people failing to store their guns safely, the problem is when they get loose. Again, most criminals get their firearms through straw purchases, meaning that the people buying them are already in trouble if they get caught.

We don't know how Adam Lanza got the guns. Did Adam Lanza murder his mother and then take her guns? Did he borrow them from his brother without saying anything? We don't know yet.

Jacob Tyler Roberts stole his guns, but we have no further information than that.

It's also not that difficult to break into many of the locked cases where people keep their weapons.

Under what circumstances would it be safe to allow people to own firearms if someone else in the area is not deemed "psychologically safe"?

If I rent a room in a home where I know nothing of the state of mind of the other tenants, does that make me responsible for the psychological well-being of a roommate?

Should everyone in the United States be submitted to psychological testing, "just to be safe"?

edited 15th Dec '12 6:30:20 PM by DevilTakeMe

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#43961: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:19:58 PM

If gun training was made mandatory, I'd move out of the country! Ok, misread what was said completely.

Also, yes, there is a weed like that. It's called Fox News.

edited 15th Dec '12 6:20:39 PM by deathpigeon

TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#43962: Dec 15th 2012 at 7:38:19 PM

Should everyone in the United States be submitted to psychological testing, "just to be safe"?

If they want to get within reach of a gun they fucking should.

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#43963: Dec 15th 2012 at 7:50:46 PM

What about non-rifle weapons?

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Indiana Solo
#43964: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:05:08 PM

[up] Doesn't matter. You want anything more than a BB gun you should have to get training.

besides, non-rifle is anything smooth bore, or handguns. besides shot guns, if they made that law someone would just start making smooth bore semi-automatics.

edited 15th Dec '12 8:05:58 PM by Joesolo

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#43965: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:07:49 PM

I meant things that aren't guns.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43966: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:09:26 PM

Pretty much every non-gun weapon has a reason behind owning it other than killing things. Also guns are pretty much the most efficient method out there for killing large numbers of people.

edit: Most efficient method that a large amount of people would have access to at least.

edited 15th Dec '12 8:09:52 PM by Kostya

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#43967: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:19:35 PM

Nunchucks are still illegal, right?

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QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#43968: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:19:55 PM

Tangentally related question: Are knives legislated in any way?

I mean, one the one hand they're weapons.

On the other hands, every has kitchen knives.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43969: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:21:09 PM

[up][up]...good question.

[up]I think certain kinds like switchblades are illegal. Mundane kitchen knives aren't though.

edit: It looks like I was wrong on that. Switchblades are one of those states rights issues from the looks of it.

edited 15th Dec '12 8:22:50 PM by Kostya

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43970: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:21:56 PM

your not supposed to have ones with blades longer than 2 inches on your person in public. beyond that, IDK. Also, no switch blades.

One thing I realized recently- whats the problem with switch blades? how much more dangerous are they than someone with a normal knife of the same length hidden in his coat?

edited 15th Dec '12 8:23:04 PM by Joesolo

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#43971: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:24:38 PM

The physical limitations of other weapons, even those that are "less-than-lethal" are the reasons why firearms are still the most efficient for those reasons. And, of course, anything can be misused.

Stun guns are not "non-lethal" as much as people would believe otherwise. There are a number of unfortunate incidents where even Police have inadvertently killed people.

[up][up][up] Nunchucks are illegal in California, at least. What's funny is that a three-section staff is not illegal.

[up][up] Most states have legislation regarding the kind of blades that can be carried in public - length, type, etc.

[up] Simply put, they were used in crimes at some point (and therefore, a "public menace" even if it's a small percentage of crime). For example, the reason why nunchucks were made illegal in California was a rash of armed robberies with nunchucks in San Francisco back in the 1970s, etc. and legislation was passed to make them illegal to own by a private citizen (it's legal to possess if it is only contained in a martial arts dojo). Specifically for the switchblade, The Other Wiki can tell you all about it and how the media portrayed it here.

edited 15th Dec '12 8:40:36 PM by DevilTakeMe

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#43972: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:36:55 PM

I imagine a good part of the reason for the items being banned could be attributed to media hype as well. Simple workarounds can make a switchblade legal (though you don't call it a "switchblade") and a simple improvised device like a steel pipe/lock and chain can make for an equal or better substitute for nunchaku at a fraction of the cost while remaining perfectly legal.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43973: Dec 15th 2012 at 8:54:56 PM

plus i really doubt the guy that gets stabbed is going to care weather or not the blade flipped before in was shoved into his spleen.

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Topazan from San Diego Since: Jan, 2010
#43974: Dec 15th 2012 at 9:02:10 PM

improvised device like a steel pipe/lock and chain can make for an equal or better substitute for nunchaku at a fraction of the cost while remaining perfectly legal.
I'm not sure about that last part. My brother used to be a police officer, and he told me about a guy that got in trouble for carrying a rock in a sock. His mistake was admitting that it was a weapon (to defend himself).

Here's the relevant part of California law, if anyone's curious.

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison: (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol, any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag.

edited 15th Dec '12 9:03:14 PM by Topazan

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43975: Dec 15th 2012 at 9:14:03 PM

[up] gotta love the legal system...

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