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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Not to mention the times any kid might have got hold of a gun in school, anyway, since all the teachers would have to pack 'em. Let's face it, during your working day, unless your workplace is designed for it, you'll loose track of your piece from time to time.
And, idle little monkeys could easily pick it up...
I get the distinct impression you don't think the police are there to protect and serve.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:19:32 PM by Euodiachloris
Look I don't know what you want me to say. You seem to be saying that every single person in the country must arm themselves which is, frankly, stupid. I do not trust the majority of the people in this country with guns.
edit: I don't even trust all the people that are currently licensed to carry them.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:20:24 PM by Kostya
That's not really what @Devil is trying to say. He's saying the police can't protect and serve you 24/7.
I wouldn't.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:25:44 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016I'm not going to get into this discussion, but one thing to keep in mind is IIRC that most gun crimes are committed with small, single fire weapons.
@Kostya - You don't need to change your position on guns to not advocate a hypocritical position. You just need to not defend gun-wielding bodyguards for celebrities, particularly anti-gun ones.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:36:56 PM by Topazan
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If everyone had a gun, why would they loot corpses looking for guns?
edited 14th Dec '12 5:38:46 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016![]()
I fail to see how I'm being hypocritical. Bodyguards are doing their job and are expected to undergo training. It's the same with police officers. Private citizens should either not have guns or must be subject to the same level of training and scrutiny as those that require them for their jobs. I'd prefer the former but I'll take the latter if it solves things.
edit: Basically my view is this. If you want guns fine, just go through the necessary training and evaluations. If you fail them then too bad.
What? No I'm saying they shoot the person and just quickly pull their wallet out of their pocket before running. The criminal is trying to protect himself by shooting the victim before they have a chance to retaliate.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:41:42 PM by Kostya
That would assume the murderer knew his victim had a wallet.
I don't think many criminals are going to risk life in prison/the death sentence if they didn't expect a payday.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:48:09 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016If you see a man on the street, what are the chances that he doesn't have at least some money on his person?
Most people who commit violent crimes are after any amount of money right now, they're not just looking to maximize their profits.
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Well how would this change anything then? If the criminal doesn't kill you all they have to do is point the gun at you and threaten you. Since you're probably not stupid enough to pull out your gun while another is pointed at you the thing does nothing for you.
Thank you. I'm glad I managed to explain it better.
I don't think everyone should be taught how to use a gun though. I think it should just be those that want to own one at some point.
Exactly. It's not the sort of thing everyone needs to know.
edited 14th Dec '12 5:59:09 PM by Kostya
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It wouldn't. I'm not the guy who advocated the 'everyone gets a gun' idea. It sounds stupid.
I just enjoy arguing.
Well then you'd be screwed. Although you'd be screwed in the same scenarios if you were unarmed as well.
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edited 14th Dec '12 6:02:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Well, I have to admit, that wasn't the reaction I was expecting. If you think 40 hours is enough to turn someone from "danger to himself and others" to "trained professional", well... I guess we're not really that far apart.
@deathpigeon - I would assume the same thing that would happen if you didn't want to learn math, writing, or PE.
I had intended it sarcastically, I didn't think a one-hour class for eight weeks was what the "professionals only" people* had in mind.
edited 14th Dec '12 6:07:23 PM by Topazan
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edited 14th Dec '12 6:07:02 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016

The question becomes, does that mean that only people who can afford bodyguards can have this kind of protection? Again, haves, and have-nots.
Realistically, there's no way for the police to be everywhere to protect everyone within the moments of something happening. So, unless you can afford a full-time bodyguard, how would you protect yourself? In relatively safe, urban areas, the average police response time is about 8 minutes. In a rural area, it might be upwards of 30 minutes or more if they can even find the place. And that's assuming you can make the phone call.
There's a saying among those who advocate carrying guns. "When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes."
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