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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#43851: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:17:26 PM

The question becomes, does that mean that only people who can afford bodyguards can have this kind of protection? Again, haves, and have-nots.

Realistically, there's no way for the police to be everywhere to protect everyone within the moments of something happening. So, unless you can afford a full-time bodyguard, how would you protect yourself? In relatively safe, urban areas, the average police response time is about 8 minutes. In a rural area, it might be upwards of 30 minutes or more if they can even find the place. And that's assuming you can make the phone call.

There's a saying among those who advocate carrying guns. "When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes."

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#43852: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:18:43 PM

[up][up]Not to mention the times any kid might have got hold of a gun in school, anyway, since all the teachers would have to pack 'em. Let's face it, during your working day, unless your workplace is designed for it, you'll loose track of your piece from time to time.

And, idle little monkeys could easily pick it up... tongue

[up]I get the distinct impression you don't think the police are there to protect and serve. tongue

edited 14th Dec '12 5:19:32 PM by Euodiachloris

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43853: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:19:36 PM

Look I don't know what you want me to say. You seem to be saying that every single person in the country must arm themselves which is, frankly, stupid. I do not trust the majority of the people in this country with guns.

edit: I don't even trust all the people that are currently licensed to carry them.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:20:24 PM by Kostya

Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#43854: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:21:22 PM

@Devil: Would you be all right with allowing only small arms and single-shot weapons?

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43855: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:23:25 PM

I get the distinct impression you don't think the police are there to protect and serve.

That's not really what @Devil is trying to say. He's saying the police can't protect and serve you 24/7.

[up] I wouldn't.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:25:44 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#43856: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:27:35 PM

Why not?

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43857: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:31:43 PM

One thing that people might not have considered. Guns are relatively uncommon now but if everyone has one for defense then any potential criminals are probably just going to shoot immediately and quickly loot the corpse. Honestly I could see this leading to more gun murders, not less.

Topazan from San Diego Since: Jan, 2010
#43858: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:36:29 PM

I'm not going to get into this discussion, but one thing to keep in mind is IIRC that most gun crimes are committed with small, single fire weapons.

@Kostya - You don't need to change your position on guns to not advocate a hypocritical position. You just need to not defend gun-wielding bodyguards for celebrities, particularly anti-gun ones.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:36:56 PM by Topazan

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43859: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:36:58 PM

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If everyone had a gun, why would they loot corpses looking for guns?

, but one thing to keep in mind is IIRC that most gun crimes are committed with small, single fire weapons.

This is true.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:38:46 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43860: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:40:45 PM

[up][up]I fail to see how I'm being hypocritical. Bodyguards are doing their job and are expected to undergo training. It's the same with police officers. Private citizens should either not have guns or must be subject to the same level of training and scrutiny as those that require them for their jobs. I'd prefer the former but I'll take the latter if it solves things.

edit: Basically my view is this. If you want guns fine, just go through the necessary training and evaluations. If you fail them then too bad.

[up]What? No I'm saying they shoot the person and just quickly pull their wallet out of their pocket before running. The criminal is trying to protect himself by shooting the victim before they have a chance to retaliate.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:41:42 PM by Kostya

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43861: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:47:54 PM

[up]

That would assume the murderer knew his victim had a wallet.

I don't think many criminals are going to risk life in prison/the death sentence if they didn't expect a payday.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:48:09 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43862: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:49:27 PM

So you assume criminals will just stop attacking people? I find that unlikely. People will find ways to get money.

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#43863: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:50:25 PM

[up][up] People leaving ATM after taking money certainly has cash on them...

Just saying there are signs.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43864: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:50:29 PM

They usually hold the person up and threaten them into handing over their money

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OhnoaBear I'm back, baby. from Exiting, pursued by a... Since: Jan, 2011
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#43865: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:50:39 PM

If you see a man on the street, what are the chances that he doesn't have at least some money on his person?

Most people who commit violent crimes are after any amount of money right now, they're not just looking to maximize their profits.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43866: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:51:39 PM

[up][up][up][up]

I didn't say that, they would do there doing right now. Catch you alone and off guard and mug you.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:54:20 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Topazan from San Diego Since: Jan, 2010
#43867: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:52:31 PM

@Kostya Ok, that sounds fairly consistent.

According to a few seconds of googling, getting licensed as a bodyguard requires about 40 hours of training, same as a security guard. Maybe we should make it a required class in High School, so everyone will be a trained professional. smile

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43868: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:53:35 PM

[up][up]Well how would this change anything then? If the criminal doesn't kill you all they have to do is point the gun at you and threaten you. Since you're probably not stupid enough to pull out your gun while another is pointed at you the thing does nothing for you.

[up]Thank you. I'm glad I managed to explain it better.

I don't think everyone should be taught how to use a gun though. I think it should just be those that want to own one at some point.

[down]Exactly. It's not the sort of thing everyone needs to know.

edited 14th Dec '12 5:59:09 PM by Kostya

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#43869: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:54:17 PM

[up][up] ...What if we don't want to know how to fire a gun? What if we don't even want to ever touch a gun, let alone fire one?

edited 14th Dec '12 5:54:30 PM by deathpigeon

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43870: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:56:18 PM

[up][up]

It wouldn't. I'm not the guy who advocated the 'everyone gets a gun' idea. It sounds stupid.

I just enjoy arguing.

[up]

Well then you'd be screwed. Although you'd be screwed in the same scenarios if you were unarmed as well.

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edited 14th Dec '12 6:02:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Topazan from San Diego Since: Jan, 2010
#43871: Dec 14th 2012 at 6:03:08 PM

Well, I have to admit, that wasn't the reaction I was expecting. If you think 40 hours is enough to turn someone from "danger to himself and others" to "trained professional", well... I guess we're not really that far apart.

@deathpigeon - I would assume the same thing that would happen if you didn't want to learn math, writing, or PE. tongue I had intended it sarcastically, I didn't think a one-hour class for eight weeks was what the "professionals only" people*

had in mind.

edited 14th Dec '12 6:07:23 PM by Topazan

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43872: Dec 14th 2012 at 6:04:29 PM

Bobby Jindal: Birth control should be sold over the counter

The family of a slain Border Patrol agent has sued federal officials over the botched "Fast and Furious" gun operation.

edited 14th Dec '12 6:07:02 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#43873: Dec 14th 2012 at 6:05:45 PM

We already have a gun thread for all of this...

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#43874: Dec 14th 2012 at 6:07:34 PM

[up]

Yeah, this is ridiculously off-topic.

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#43875: Dec 14th 2012 at 6:10:16 PM

Despite believing that the Earth is 6000 years old and claiming to have taken part in an exorcism, Bobby Jindal is somehow one of the most common sense Republicans in the party right now.

It's bizarrely fascinating, really.


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