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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#43776: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:00:23 PM

@Fighteer: Fox and CNN are confirming it as well now. They got the wrong Lanza sibling. The one thats been reported as a monsterous killer all week is actually still in Hoboken wondering wtf is going on.

in short.

JOURNALISM

edited 14th Dec '12 1:00:57 PM by Midgetsnowman

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#43777: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:00:54 PM

Okay. Because I don't believe anything in the NY Post without corroboration.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#43778: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:02:01 PM

This just makes it even worse. Not only has the poor guy had his face plastered all over the media erroneously, but his younger brother apparently shot their mom.

Happy friday!

edited 14th Dec '12 1:07:34 PM by Midgetsnowman

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#43779: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:03:18 PM

Yeah, that's a great way to spend your afternoon. Sheesh. And given the number of deaths it's going to be really hard to credibly make the argument that he would have done this without access to firearms.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#43780: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:08:45 PM

I've been watching NBC about it. They didn't put up anyone's face, they just updated the information as it came in. And admitted to when they weren't entirely sure about things. *shrug*

This keeps happening. so I'm wondering why we're so resistant to gun control these days. I mean, i know why Republican politicians are, but not the general public.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43781: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:10:29 PM

[up]One kid in my school said it's because it violates the second amendment.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#43782: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:10:59 PM

Frankly I think this is a case of tyranny of the minority; the pro-gun crowd is so vocal that it dominates the conversation. And I also believe that the second amendment may be the worst one we've got.

edited 14th Dec '12 1:11:48 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#43783: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:13:16 PM

I've had this talk elsewhere and one person brought up that the problem's with American populace, rather than gun laws themselves. Notably, places like Canada and Ireland have looser gun laws with lower gun crimes, but they're generally being more responsible with the weapons.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#43784: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:14:02 PM

The second amendment was written in a time when A) Invasion by England was still a valid concern and B) we were dealing with Indian raids out on the frontier. It was a VASTLY different culture, not to mention that the technology is far beyond what they were dealing with back then.

It's valid to consider whether or not the second amendment is even valid in this day and age. And how far it should go when shit like school shootings happen. Hell, no one seems to consider the "amendment" part and realize that hey, we can totally change that if we see fit.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#43785: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:14:39 PM

I think it's that in "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." the 1st sentence has been forgotten.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43786: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:15:11 PM

Its because people have this idea that they can protect themselves from shooters if they carry a gun. They don't trust the gov to keep guns away from crimminals.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43787: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:18:24 PM

[up][up]I was going to bring up the militia part. When did that get twisted around to mean any random Joe on the street?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#43788: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:18:25 PM

And the general population can be trusted to remain calm when someone starts shooting? And to somehow not escalate a bad situation further and cause more death?

[up]You do get those crazies that seem to think they can outgun the federally organized army and the FBI. Which has led to some baaaad situations.

edited 14th Dec '12 1:19:12 PM by AceofSpades

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43789: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:20:25 PM

Well then they're idiots. If the government wanted us dead that bad they'd just carpet bomb or nuke the offending area. An armed invasion, which is the only situation in which guns would be useful, wouldn't even cross their minds.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43790: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:26:02 PM

@Kostya: " I was going to bring up the militia part. When did that get twisted around to mean any random Joe on the street?"

You can pretty much blame the Supreme Court for that.. It's an example of Judicial activism by so-called conservative "originalists".

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#43791: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:38:44 PM

I'm starting to really hate the media though. Most of them are barely even acknowledging the damage to reputations their leaping at the first name they found might have been

DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland Since: Jan, 2010
Coin Operator
#43792: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:41:21 PM

[up][up] At the time the original Bill of Rights was written, there was no Federal army responsible for arming the soldiers, and so the armed forces and militias were made up of volunteers from the citizenship, who would have to bring most of their own guns and gear. And so, private ownership of firearms was to be allowed.

So yes, random Joe on the street would be allowed to own firearms.

edited 14th Dec '12 1:41:35 PM by DevilTakeMe

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43793: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:41:31 PM

this is horrible, i can't begin to imagine what would make him want to do that.

and on the guns subject, I think the "war on drugs" is enough to prove the government can't stop people from getting something if they want it badly enough.

I'm baaaaaaack
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#43794: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:42:27 PM

[up]

The really strange element is why on earth did Adam steal his brother's ID?

Was he trying to frame his older brother for the murders?

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#43795: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:47:20 PM

[up] Who knows?

Honestly, If you batshit insane enough to decide to murder kindergarden, age children, theres something really wrong with you. I doubt he was thinking

I'm baaaaaaack
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#43796: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:48:34 PM

[up][up] For all we know, he borrowed his brother's pants and forgot to take his wallet out.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43797: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:49:05 PM

[up][up][up][up]What would you suggest we do?

Seriously if you can come up with a solution to things like this that does not involve criminalizing firearms then I'm all ears. So far I haven't heard an adequate one yet.

edited 14th Dec '12 1:49:21 PM by Kostya

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Lost in Space
#43798: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:49:46 PM

Someone who would murder a classroom of kindergarten children is beyond anything we would classify as sane, so asking why he did a particular odd thing is somewhat moot.

[up] It is worth pointing out that firearms are, indeed, not to blame for this tragedy. The person killing kids is the one responsible. That said, firearms make killing easier and faster, and as such we have to be willing to have a serious national conversation about how to deal with the issue.

What makes this conversation impossible to have is when people grandstand on issues of principle, ignoring the reality of what's right in front of them.

edited 14th Dec '12 1:51:34 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#43800: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:51:18 PM

[up][up][up] Well, I'm for mandatory military conscription. Most of the Nordic countries have it, and they have some of the lowest violent crime rates in the world.

edited 14th Dec '12 1:51:26 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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