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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42726: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:38:37 PM

The people who wanted to impeach him clearly had a different opinion on that.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42727: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:38:43 PM

God help me for saying this but....

I'm with the President. We got debts and we need the economy to get big again so people will have jobs. Raise the fucking taxes. Another $15 out of my paycheck won't kill me.

And for God's sake, tax the fucking rich. They absolutely won't miss it. Hell, you've got Warren Buffett begging the government to take his money.

This Democrat/Liberal thing of "Debt? We don't care about no stinkin' debt!" pisses me off, but let's focus on making sure we don't turn into Greece, and then we'll take on the Socialist koolaid later.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:39:29 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42728: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:39:53 PM

The only way we'd turn into Greece is if we went back to the gold standard.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#42729: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:40:33 PM

Yeah, the tax on rich issue is really something that should be conceded. House Republicans keep saying it will slow economy, but it's better to have a working economy that slows down a bit, right?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42730: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:40:54 PM

The Republicans are willing to cut the budget for the defense industry.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42731: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:41:11 PM

Holy shit I got ninjaed and inappropriately page topped.

@ Maxima: I don't think it's that Democrats aren't concerned about debt, but that they put it lower on the list of priorities. They put being able to feed people and make sure they don't fall into a financial pit they can't crawl out of above that.

[up]More like they're starting to concede it's an inevitability, Serocco. And a fight they can't win in the eyes of a public sick of wars.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:42:21 PM by AceofSpades

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42732: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:42:11 PM

Actually, if we go off the cliff, the defense budget gets cut by $500 billion anyway.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:43:29 PM by Serocco

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42733: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:42:30 PM

Oral sex wasn't considered a sexual activity back in those days, so he wasn't lying under oath.

[lol][tup]

House Republicans keep saying it will slow economy, but it's better to have a working economy that slows down a bit, right?

How do you go slower than "dead in the water"??

It was an honor
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#42734: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:43:36 PM

[up]"Hitting rocks and sinking?" tongue

However, when it's a case of chucking rocks at the boat the way they're doing... it kind of negates the argument. tongue

edited 5th Dec '12 2:44:08 PM by Euodiachloris

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42735: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:44:45 PM

We have a report about how high marginal tax rates on the highest earners DOESN'T slow economic growth. Republicans did everything in their power to bury it.

It's not a problem.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42736: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:45:00 PM

Even if we avoid the cliff, the military will still cut somewhere between $10 billion to $15 billion in cuts in spending each year for the next decade.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#42737: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:46:25 PM

@Serocco

I think they're getting a bit desperate just to balance things out.

@Maxima

I meant that the Republican argument against raising taxes on rich isn't strong. Even if the economy is slowed a little, wouldn't saving essential features (services, necessary spending, debt treatment) be more important, if it's for the sake of avoiding a crisis they would project?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42738: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:47:11 PM

If we go off the cliff, about $55 billion cuts in defense would come in the first year alone.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42739: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:47:57 PM

@Triv - No argument here.

@Euo - Touche smile.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#42740: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:49:01 PM

You remember how Marco Rubio said he believed the Earth was only several thousand, not several million years old?
You're off by a factor of 1,000. The Earth is ~4.5 billion years old.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42741: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:49:12 PM

So yes, let us go off the cliff, for no other reason that to cut defense.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#42742: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:50:19 PM

The republicans have a dangerous choice to make.

Do they A) Hold firm to their beliefs, refusing to ever raising taxes, and then let the automatic...tax raises happen...to everyone. or B) stand firm against Norquist (All Praise Be Upon Him) and raise tax rates for the top 2%?

A) Will let them keep their uh, purity in tact or something B) will not make the country fucking hate them

[up]

Baby with Bathwater. And the entire family. And the pet. And the entire upper floor.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:50:38 PM by Thorn14

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42743: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:52:03 PM

[up] I don't get your bathwater comment.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#42744: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:52:55 PM

[up] Targeted cuts are one thing; blanket ones another.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42745: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:54:22 PM

Defense needs to but cut, for once.

I mean, the Pentagon itself is preparing for cuts, either way.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:56:43 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42746: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:55:18 PM

[up]

Probably.

As long as the cuts are done wisely.

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#42747: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:57:29 PM

No. It's a tiny fraction of our spending. We have no great need to cut defense right now. Frankly, we should be breaking out the New Deal again.

But, if we're making cuts, I'd say the military should be first on the chopping block.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42748: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:58:04 PM

Defense is the military. We spend more on it than China, whose own military is teh largest in the world.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42749: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:58:18 PM

This cuts defense by 500 billion? Well then full speed ahead! The only way this could get better is if it actually raised taxes on the rich instead of just removing the current cuts.

[up][up]Are you joking? It's a third of our budget and it's higher than the next ten counries combined. Even if we slashed it in half we're still twice as large as China in that area.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:58:54 PM by Kostya

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#42750: Dec 5th 2012 at 2:58:27 PM

My point is, yes the military should be cut, but letting us fall off the cliff would cut much much more than military and do way more damage.

Would I love military cuts? Yes. But not thorugh this. Too many other things would be cut.

And I'd bet my ass that the majority of those cuts would go to hurt soldier benefits like healthcare.

Not smart cuts. We'd still probably be paying for overexpensive contractors and developing unneeded jets.

edited 5th Dec '12 2:59:35 PM by Thorn14


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