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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42501: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:57:58 PM

The problem is independents but given how they chose Obama I have a feeling they're starting to catch on too. All he has to do is avert a recession and continue on our current path and the Republicans will be in the position to lose a ton of seats.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#42502: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:59:23 PM

what would be best would be the portion of republicans who are breaking from that tax pledge to break ranks entirely.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42503: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:00:56 PM

Unlikely. They still want to get elected and just because they don't like the Republicans doesn't mean they're going to rush into the arms of the Democrats.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#42504: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:03:23 PM

Yea, we can dream though. [lol]

If nothing else, if they would just make an honest compromise it'd be good. cut spending a bit, but put more taxes on the rich.

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:04:21 PM by Joesolo

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#42505: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:05:21 PM

Besides all Obama has to do after things had gone over the fiscal cliff is just say what he plans to do... Namely that he and the Democrats will push for tax breaks on the middle class because of this setback.

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:08:17 PM by GameGuruGG

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42506: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:06:35 PM

Bob Dole to confront Senate Republicans on U.N. disabilities treaty

Dear god, I think Dole might be a zombie.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42507: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:07:13 PM

[up][up][up]I would approve of spending cuts if they weren't to programs we actually fucking need. The biggest waste of money in the US is the military budget but that is the one thing Republicans refuse to compromise on.

[up][up]I wonder what the State of the Union Address will be like. That's probably going to be the point where he tries to wake the country up to what's going on. He really needs to explain to them what he wants to do for the people and why the Republicans are preventing him from doing it.

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:08:39 PM by Kostya

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#42508: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:10:37 PM

Oh wow, the next year's address is in about a month... and I remember posting a thread about this year's.

Has it been that long already?

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#42509: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:39:41 PM

[up][up] I wouldn't call it a waste, but we can and should trim it back some.

another lesson from EU 3- spend all(or most of) your money on the military and you fuck yourself economically.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#42510: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:44:24 PM

Republican Doomsday plan if Fiscal Cliff talks fail -- Extend Bush tax cuts for the middle class and nothing more.

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:44:38 PM by tclittle

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42511: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:47:13 PM

come on guys, these are mere opening gambits, they haven't even begun the real negotiations yet. Neither side can afford to compromise until they have demonstrated to their core how much they dont want to compromise.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#42512: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:47:45 PM

[up][up] That's a realistic scenario, but I find myself continually amazed at the Republicans' willingness to stonewall over the debt ceiling given how dearly it cost them in 2011.

[up] I don't know; we have a poor track record lately of productive compromises.

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:48:58 PM by Fighteer

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#42513: Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:54:33 PM

I really want to understand the Republican view. What is it that the Republican side wants? What's their motivation? I felt this way with Grover Norquist's recent comments too. when he was complaining about overspending.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42514: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:31:39 PM

Joesolo: Well I call it waste since most of it is buildup from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Since the wars are over and we don't have any intention of starting others (at least we shouldn't) cutting spending in those areas would be a wise move.

tclittle:...

So exactly what most of us want to happen? Then by all means, let's drive over the damn thing.

Fighteer: That didn't do them in. It was obviously voter fraud and slander of Mitt Romney.wink

Trivialis: Money? Granted the Democrats want that too so there's more to it then that. My take on it is that many of them sincerely want what's best for the nation, they just don't realize what that is due to an entire media machine that lies nonstop. Now there are those that are just greedy assholes but I still have a hard time believing most of them are doing this out of malice.

edited 3rd Dec '12 7:32:28 PM by Kostya

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42515: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:32:48 PM

If it is the media lying to the politicians, what does the media want?

Ratings, I guess?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42516: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:36:11 PM

[up]Depends on who you're talking about.

Most probably want some form of money as well.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#42517: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:37:42 PM

[up][up][up] According to the article I posted, the GOP's plan is to vote for Extending the tax cuts for middle class and not a damn thing else. No tax loopholes closed, nothing about unemployment benefits, nothing else. Then leave for Christmas and let the new Congress deal with it.

Also, they plan on having the GOP come and just say they were present at the voting, and let the Democrats vote it in.

I'm also wondering who's gonna be the asshole on either side of Congress, and decide to screw it all up.

edited 3rd Dec '12 7:37:59 PM by tclittle

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42518: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:38:44 PM

Well ratings are what get you money.

I guess the fact is that stirring up people into a tizzy is more profitable than just reporting news. Which is a problem.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42519: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:10:13 PM

I'm still believing that the Democrats will cave over this fiscal cliff issue and offer the Grand Bargain to the Republicans.

It's what the CE Os want, after all. They realize how great the Grand Bargain is for them, and since they're the leaders of the Republicans, eventually, they'll cave to their leaders' wishes.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42520: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:11:50 PM

[up]

If that's the case, then why haven't they already caved?

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42521: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:15:15 PM

They're waiting until Christmas, where they'll get the Grand Bargain while everyone else isn't paying attention.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42522: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:23:20 PM

I think you're severely underestimating how much attention such a move would get. You don't just slash medicare and social security without a ton of controversy and discussion from people on both sides.

edited 3rd Dec '12 9:23:57 PM by Kostya

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42523: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:25:18 PM

U.N. disabilities treaty faces GOP opposition

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#42524: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:27:07 PM

[up][up] As if politicians care about what their constituencies think. They can easily get a fat lob of money as lobbyists after their political careers are over.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42525: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:10:44 PM

You're being unnecessarily negative here. I, for one, think the Democrats are sick and tired of the GOP's shit, the majority of people support tax increases on the rich which means there will be backlash against Dems that back out on that promise (We do vote them in, after all), and Obama has nothing to lose by meeting their bluff.

Which it seems like he's already doing, in fact. The GOP is backing themselves into a corner here.

Seriously, this negativity of yours makes me sick sometimes.

edited 3rd Dec '12 10:11:30 PM by AceofSpades


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