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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42476: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:20:35 AM

Eh, I don't think Republicans can spin it like that. They can spin it like that to their bubble, but I think the rest of the country has stopped listening.

cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#42477: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:20:46 AM

You know what? Fuck this. Let's drive right the fuck over that cliff. Let's let the Republicans see that this time, for once, we're not going to be pushed around. We're not playing. This isn't a game. They can either play ball, or get off the field.

I'm not going to let their rampant greed ruin my country any longer.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42478: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:25:53 AM

Obama to take fiscal cliff questions on Twitter

....

edited 3rd Dec '12 10:26:15 AM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#42479: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:27:30 AM

[up][up]Unfortunately the cost of that is millions of jobs in America and around the world, further global instability and who knows what else.

And I think you are seriously underestimating the GOP media machine guys.

[up]...Yeah. You think we would have learned that GIFT is a reality from all those petitions.

edited 3rd Dec '12 10:28:13 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#42480: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:29:40 AM

Ugh. True.

I just wish that there was a way to do something about all of this. We need to fix the root of the problem, but it seems like no one is willing to do that.

What do you guys think it would take to seriously knock the GOP and the basic Conservative Right off of their pedestal?

edited 3rd Dec '12 10:30:08 AM by cutewithoutthe

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#42481: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:35:15 AM

However bad any single recession can be (and it can be incredibly bad, I know), it's still an individual event. This obstructionism game we've had going on in congress will continue to be played indefinitely, and cause human suffering indefinitely, until we can find a way to make the obstructionists lose. They can't wuss out and keep punting the ball ahead a year every single time.

Now, if the general public chooses to believe whatever the Republican party says no matter how much it fails to match up with reality, then of course we're in a no-win situation, but if that's the case, we're screwed regardless of the fiscal cliff anyway.

And I'm with Tomu, I don't think the general public is going to swallow putting all the blame on the Democrats. Americans are shallow and extremely susceptible to emotional kneejerking, but they're not outright RETARDED.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42482: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:40:39 AM

[up][up]

What do you guys think it would take to seriously knock the GOP and the basic Conservative Right off of their pedestal?

Losing the 2016 Presidential election?

Losing 3 elections in a row would be hell for any party.

I mean look at what happened to the Dems after there losses in 1980, 1984, and 1988. By 1992 they were desperate for a victory, even if it meant accepting Clinton's centrism.

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edited 3rd Dec '12 12:02:55 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42483: Dec 3rd 2012 at 11:25:02 AM

You know what? Fuck this. Let's drive right the fuck over that cliff. Let's let the Republicans see that this time, for once, we're not going to be pushed around. We're not playing. This isn't a game. They can either play ball, or get off the field.

I'm not going to let their rampant greed ruin my country any longer.

Word. [tup][awesome]

Sometimes the difference between victory and defeat is simply saying The line must be drawn here. This far, NO FURTHER.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42484: Dec 3rd 2012 at 12:06:37 PM

John McCain, John Kerry share laugh about being White House 'losers'

We all know there both crying on the inside.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42485: Dec 3rd 2012 at 12:37:22 PM

I'm in the "Don't pick Kerry" club. I don't want to see Massachusetts run a special election and re-elect Scott Brown :P

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42486: Dec 3rd 2012 at 1:20:31 PM

The problem is that a large number of Republicans genuinely believe that, long term, high taxes and a large deficit are bad for the country (actually, a fair number of democrats believe that too).

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#42487: Dec 3rd 2012 at 1:22:55 PM

I'm sceptical as to how big a recession will be triggered by this, if at all. I think both sides are deliberately pushing the panic button in order to get the changes they want and to be able to point at the other side as the bad guys. I also think that, at least to a degree the Democrats don't want the Republicans to give in on taxes and the Republicans don't want the Democrats to give in on spending because they would have that much less to hit each other over the head with. It's all theater folks and about as real as professional wrestling.

edited 3rd Dec '12 1:27:15 PM by tricksterson

Trump delenda est
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#42488: Dec 3rd 2012 at 1:39:29 PM

Nah it's a Xanatos Gambit on both sides,if either gives in and things don't change,they can blame the other side for not being a complete doormat.

If neither does,the other gets painted as evil for be uncompromising

And for the rest of us Failure Is the Only Option

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42489: Dec 3rd 2012 at 3:33:46 PM

Our beloved President has finished his Q&A on Twitter.

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#42490: Dec 3rd 2012 at 3:36:14 PM

Yeah, the Democrats are going to lose on this one. Obama's overreaching. When the economy crashes, it'll be the Democrats who take the blame. It's still the Republicans' fault, so soon after another Democratic victory? It looks like finger-pointing. Obama should have taken their compromise. That was the best offer America's going to get.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42491: Dec 3rd 2012 at 3:39:22 PM

White House spurns Republican offer on 'fiscal cliff' negotiations

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#42492: Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:21:03 PM

Let me guess, the only revenue was from cutting tax loopholes.

Edit: Oh look, nothing but cuts and tax reforms. How surprising.

edited 3rd Dec '12 4:23:24 PM by Thorn14

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#42493: Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:42:04 PM

Obama should have taken their compromise.
What compromise? The Republicans haven't offered one, as far as I'm aware. A compromise requires both sides to make concessions. Republicans campaigned on cutting spending and closing tax loopholes. Democrats campaigned on raising taxes for the rich. A compromise would be a mix of higher taxes and spending cuts. What the Republicans have offered is spending cuts and closing tax loopholes. It has nothing that Democrats want, why should they support it?

edited 3rd Dec '12 4:42:16 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42494: Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:57:49 PM

Yeah Yellow, you're wrong on this one. He is going over the cliff and that'll suck, but the Republicans will be totally on the defensive once we go over the cliff.

Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#42495: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:13:44 PM

Why will they be on the defensive?

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42496: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:19:37 PM

Because taxes will be going up and the Democrats will probably roll out a plan to remove them for middle class people. The Republicans can't exactly vote against that.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#42497: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:22:35 PM

Republicans are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They see it as their mission not to compromise on tax increases for the rich, but if the sequester goes through, taxes are going to go up. All Obama has to do is hold firm — either way he gets tax increases on the rich. It's a beautiful trap.

edited 3rd Dec '12 5:23:14 PM by Fighteer

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#42498: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:33:26 PM

And then his approval ratings will sink to Dubya/Carter levels somehow and 2016 will put the Repubs on top again.

I don't see how the Dems can take this one without a loss.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#42499: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:34:35 PM

His approval ratings among whom? Democrats will blame Republicans and Republicans will blame Democrats. This won't change the political demographics one bit.

edited 3rd Dec '12 5:34:44 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42500: Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:39:16 PM

Democratic voters WANT Obama to hold firm on this one, though. It's part of why they voted for him, Terlwyth.


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