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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42451: Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:56:41 AM

Most of them seem to think they got voted in the on the "no new taxes" and have to hold to that, regardless of whether that's currently wise or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/01/opinion/hogue-fiscal-cliff/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/02/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#42452: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:36:35 AM

The cliff cuts spending (especially America's ludicrously bloated military budget) and raises taxes.

Let's just drive right the fuck over it.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#42453: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:40:45 AM

Cutting public sector spending is the last thing the economy needs right now. What we need is to keep things like welfare especially going. Welfare is one of the best government programs for getting money back into the economy. People on welfare don't horde their money in banks. They don't have enough of it to really horde. They go out and spend it. That's what drives the economy. People spending money. It lets the rich get richer, and the poor get richer.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#42454: Dec 3rd 2012 at 7:55:43 AM

Hoard = a collection of things. Horde = a collection of people. Argh.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
#42455: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:05:29 AM

People on welfare don't have enough money to really horde.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#42456: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:26:45 AM

[up][awesome]

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#42457: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:27:56 AM

Whoops. Sorry.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42458: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:44:44 AM

White House willing to go over fiscal cliff if absolutely necessary

Americans Don't Think Congress Is Ethical

Americans rate only car salespeople below Congress in terms of honesty and ethics.

We really hate car salespeople.

Norquist: Put fiscal cliff talks on TV

edited 3rd Dec '12 8:49:57 AM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#42459: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:49:43 AM

Is there popular support for going over the Fiscal Cliff?

Keep Rolling On
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#42460: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:52:08 AM

[up]

If I had to guess,lighting our oil reserves on fire for the lolz is probably more popular than going off the cliff.

Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will stay on as chairwoman of the national Democratic Party at the behest of President Obama.

edited 3rd Dec '12 9:23:46 AM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#42461: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:53:11 AM

...I have lost all hope of us not going over the Fiscal Cliff.

At least we won't be going with the Grand Bargain.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42462: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:54:46 AM

First we will go over the cliff (which irl is more like a steep slope), then they'll arrive at a grand bargain. In fact, going over the cliff is intended to make the bargain possible.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#42464: Dec 3rd 2012 at 8:58:51 AM

[up][up] ...I hope that we don't do that... The Grand Bargain is the worst outcome of the Fiscal Cliff debacle.

I'd rather we went all the way off the Cliff than push through the Grand Bargain.

edited 3rd Dec '12 8:59:37 AM by deathpigeon

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42466: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:19:43 AM

Oh, dont worry, the so called "Grand Bargain " by that point wont resemble the "Grand Bargain" that is being ballyhooed right now. ((Hee hee, it will be worse!)

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#42467: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:45:54 AM

^

Hee hee, it will be worse!

20%+ cuts to all Programs, in the First Year alone?

Keep Rolling On
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#42468: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:46:45 AM

...Cutting all welfare entirely?

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42469: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:49:10 AM

Eh, Obama has been getting criticism for being unwilling to compromise from people like David Brookes. That says to me he's done with this doormat phase, and is just going to govern-in no small part because he's no longer up for re-election.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42470: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:51:10 AM

Guys, the proposed situation is that if we go past the fiscal cliff, the Republicans will be in an even worse bargaining position than they are in now. Meaning they will have less leverage to get the cuts they want and won't name. This whole "it's going to be a worse bargain" is a good bit of that alarmism that I keep warning us against.

Frankly, with some Democrats advocating for meeting the cliff I'd say that at least some of them are willing to play hardball to get what they want. After this the Republicans will essentially be voting for raising taxes on their middle class constituents that voted them in. And politicians tend to like keeping their jobs.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#42471: Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:58:41 AM

I'd rather not go into a second recession even if it would mean Republicans getting the shaft.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42472: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:07:26 AM

It's not an instant thing. If we go over the cliff, a lot of the stuff the austerity bomb proscribes won't really have an impact for months. So there's time to negotiate.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#42473: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:07:44 AM

It's not going to trigger a recession immediately like an on-off switch.

But even if it DID, and said recession caused immense human suffering... I would consider it superior in the long term to having to repeat this kind of political chicken with the Republicans every year or so.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#42474: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:11:46 AM

Of course if the Republicans manage to spin this as the result of Democratic unwillingness to negotiate it could completely reverse their fortunes. And then we get a recession and a GOP White House/Congressional majority in 2016 that screws you guys over badly.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#42475: Dec 3rd 2012 at 10:18:43 AM

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50054562

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