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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#42076: Nov 27th 2012 at 8:19:47 AM

...and People are People are People, and don't stop becoming People, whatever they actually do...

Keep Rolling On
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#42077: Nov 27th 2012 at 8:24:04 AM

Yes, but there are more than one person with power, so the people are checked by the other people.

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#42079: Nov 27th 2012 at 8:31:24 AM

[up][up]

Who don't agree with each other — Do you think the Elites totally agree with each other in all areas?

Knowing Humanity, that's rather unlikely. You'll get a Not-So-Omniscient Council of Bickering At Best.

Keep Rolling On
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#42080: Nov 27th 2012 at 8:36:52 AM

[up] Precisely. They don't agree with each other. That's precisely how they act as checks on each other. If everyone agreed, they wouldn't check each other, they'd amplify themselves.

Also, no, I don't think the "elite" are unified. I think that there is inherent selfishness to them because they have to be selfish to become the elite. You don't make millions by giving your money to the poor. Because they are selfish, they work toward bettering themselves at the cost of those below them, and equal to them, and above them. They will screw everyone over just to turn their millions into tens of millions. That's not right.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#42081: Nov 27th 2012 at 8:43:24 AM

[up]

I think that there is inherent selfishness to them because they have to be selfish to become the elite. You don't make millions by giving your money to the poor. Because they are selfish, they work toward bettering themselves at the cost of those below them, and equal to them, and above them. They will screw everyone over just to turn their millions into tens of millions. That's not right.

I've got time for one more question: Do you think Humanity is inherently selfish*

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That's the Trouble. Whatever "Human Nature" actually is, it's a Brick Wall OTC keeps running headlong into. Humanity Is Flawed, in the end!!!!!!

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#42082: Nov 27th 2012 at 8:51:53 AM

No. At least, not entirely. There's an inherent element of altruism to human nature. There's also an element of working as a group and, in a sense, teamwork to human nature. However, yes, there is an element of selfishness to human nature, it's just balanced by other elements. However, to become a part of the elite, the element of selfishness has to be much more dominant since selfishness helps one succeed within society, though not necessarily helping society succeed as a whole.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#42083: Nov 27th 2012 at 9:00:37 AM

Krugman continues to examine the relationship between debt and economic performance in countries with sovereign currencies and finds no evidence that the gold standard and/or primary surpluses improves recession outcomes over devaluation and debt issuance. Britain versus France in the 20's.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#42084: Nov 27th 2012 at 9:01:44 AM

vaguely related. but I love the latest new political ad on the sidebar showing obama smugly holding a touch phone and the text being "Obama has won? what now?"

Using photos to paint people as smirking evil caricatures, wee.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#42085: Nov 27th 2012 at 9:35:30 AM

I still can't believe people seriously want to return to the gold standard. I just can't find the words.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42086: Nov 27th 2012 at 9:52:16 AM

Remember what Reagan said about the LGBT community? "Homosexuality is not a contagious disease like the measles."

Yet, the GOP is irrefutably anti-LGBT. Weird, huh?

My Head Asplode. Really?

It was an honor
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#42087: Nov 27th 2012 at 10:12:37 AM

Reagan and Bill Buckley were both prone to holding attitudes contrary to their images as conservative icons. Buckley for instance was a proponent of legalizing marijuana. Then there was Barry Godwater's statement on letting gays into the military: "What matters is if a soldier can shoot straihgt, not if he is straight.

Trump delenda est
HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#42088: Nov 27th 2012 at 10:19:09 AM

It's not that surprising, really. There's a lot of conspiracies people have about the Federal Reserve that make some people want to switch away from fiat currency - mainly thanks to Ron Paul.

And from what I know, Reagan was personally opposed to homosexuality, but didn't think the government should be intrusive with anti-gay legislation. It's actually very consistent with conservatism and its small government ethos.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42089: Nov 27th 2012 at 10:56:39 AM

Ha Fighteer! I AM a true Republican!

It was an honor
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#42090: Nov 27th 2012 at 11:23:14 AM

Nah. You're addicted to the liberal awesomesauce, you're just in denial.

Acceptance is the first step, Maxima.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#42091: Nov 27th 2012 at 11:23:16 AM

But you're a member of a party that no longer exists and has been eaten by the democrats while loonies took off with the name.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#42092: Nov 27th 2012 at 11:24:08 AM

Ah Shima and Ekuran, you love raining on my parades don't you tongue??

It was an honor
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#42093: Nov 27th 2012 at 11:26:46 AM

Ruining things is what we do. Mwahahahahahahahaha.evil grin

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#42094: Nov 27th 2012 at 11:42:43 AM

You're less conservative than I am,and I consider myself a card carrying leftist,with a few social issues as exceptions.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#42095: Nov 27th 2012 at 12:06:01 PM

"Where free unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

Many of the supposed icons of the right and left held views that would surprise their empty-headed modern cheerleaders.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#42096: Nov 27th 2012 at 12:28:00 PM

You lying bastard Ronnie, why did you go after unions and leftist governments in Latin America during your term then? Nicaragua ring any bells?

I wept at the death of one great American in 2004: Ray Charles.

edited 27th Nov '12 12:29:11 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#42097: Nov 27th 2012 at 12:40:57 PM

You have to remember Reagan was a Democrat at one point and he switched his views on unions

Was that quote from before the 60's or during the presidency?

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#42099: Nov 27th 2012 at 1:04:10 PM

[up]Even Homer nods, as the saying goes.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#42100: Nov 27th 2012 at 2:02:18 PM

[up]That phrase doesn't even make any sense.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that supporting particular foreign governments can and has been unrelated to supporting unions here at home. There's a pretty large disconnect among the voter base as regards foreign and domestic policies.


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