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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yes, that. Truth isn't always pleasant, you know.
I've already addressed this particular Perfect Comparison Fallacy. For sake of not violating a forum request I'll table my opinion on the idea that abortion is "needed".
edited 26th Nov '12 12:04:53 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honorThis is several months old. Jim Greer was a sleazy politician who was kicked out by his own party well before these laws became an issue over a scandal involving his siphoning party funds to a business owned by a relative of his. Charlie Crist is likewise a disgraced turncoat. Neither of them are especially reliable witnesses, nor are they insiders to the present GOP leadership in FL.
<><@Edwards Grizzly and Starship: Have you considered that they may have left the GOP because the GOP is batshit crazy and was in fact deliberately suppressing voters under the guise of preventing fraud?
Besides, major GOP figures came right out and said that voter ID and similar laws would reduce Democratic turnout.
edited 26th Nov '12 12:16:11 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"No, not never. But again, I'm a firm believer in separating 'appearance of guilt' from 'actual guilt'.
I shouldn't be laughing at this....
Yes, I have. And it makes it queasy that the idea isn't as laughable as it sounded once.
edited 26th Nov '12 12:17:48 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honor@Starship: " I'm a firm believer in separating 'appearance of guilt' from 'actual guilt'." — To be sure. But these "revelations" are entirely consistent with the facts that we've observed thus far. When your policies have the effect of disenfranchising voters without noticeably impacting fraud or reducing costs, and there is no evidence of the fraud that you're notionally attempting to prevent, it doesn't take a genius to read ulterior motives into the actions in question.
edited 26th Nov '12 12:18:29 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Regrettably, the source for those percentages (Inbreeding, Incest, And The Incest Taboo, by Wolfe) is hard-copy, not an Internet document, but check this out
. Yes, there's a baseline rate for birth abnormalities, but I think you'll agree that that's quite a way beyond it, no?
edited 26th Nov '12 12:20:26 PM by Iaculus
What's precedent ever done for us?![]()
That just brings us back to the "stupid vs. evil" question. Neither one makes you look particularly good.
edited 26th Nov '12 12:21:18 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'm concerned that I may have to thump the incest derail if it continues. Please close it down.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
That sounds wrong, somehow.
Edit: In other news...
Confetti used in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade might have sensitive information printed on it.
They're thinking it came from a local police department.
edited 26th Nov '12 12:32:23 PM by DrunkGirlfriend
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -DrunkscriblerianThat's very odd. The article also says that it may not have been the official parade confetti but something someone else threw in. The question remains how the shredded documents got into public hands. Most business that need to destroy sensitive documents use secure commercial shredding companies whose entire job is to make sure that the stuff is completely destroyed. If one of those companies screwed up or was scamming them...
edited 26th Nov '12 12:35:12 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What I mean is that Greer's allegations were reported and discussed in this thread several months ago
.
When they are in bad graces due to confirmed dishonesty and fraud, that's usually a sign to take their statements with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying that the GOP necessarily was innocent, but this supposed "revelation" is not very useful in determining so.
edited 26th Nov '12 12:39:55 PM by EdwardsGrizzly
<><But not Crist's, right? The point is that there are multiple sources stating that the purpose of the GOP's efforts in Florida (and Pennsylvania and elsewhere) was voter suppression, not preventing fraud. That alone should be enough for a federal investigation.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Sorry to go back a page, but:
Comparing bank fraud to abortions is slightly silly. People do not need bank fraud. Bank fraud is stealing money from people who need it. Meanwhile, women who need abortions either need them for medical reasons or need them because they're not prepared, emotionally, monetarily, physically, or mentally.
Banning abortion wouldn't deal with the underlying need to have them. Banning bank fraud in its technicolor forms would, because there is little underlying need behind it beyond greed and desperation for money.
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