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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#41652: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:28:12 PM

@Max: Read this? Also, keep in mind that there are set medical definitions for "overweight", "obese" and "morbidly obese".

That was interesting. It seems to be part of the ongoing discussion regarding whether it's the genes or the environment that controls obesity. It seems obvious that someone can have a body type naturally suited to being heavy, or scrawny like myself.

But just because someone may have to work slightly harder than someone else doesn't mean they shouldn't still work at it.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#41653: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:29:27 PM

@Max: It's mostly because people who are overweight are more likely to injure themselves in the course of exercise. Most gyms really aren't equipped to provide the sort of low-impact routine that we need to safely exercise. It's a sad irony that stationary bicycles aren't designed for the obese.

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#41654: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:35:47 PM

Well DG, that's where "we" do our part. In loudly denouncing Emperor Bloomberg's soda ban, I said I'd like to see more meaningful things like realistic physical ed taught in schools and for there to be greater access to exercise facilities.

Not necessarily gyms. I mean, more green space, more public pools, gyms with fewer bench presses and more stationary bikes made for heavier people, etc.

PETA Asks Obama to Opt Out of Turkey Pardon

And now you see why I could never be a card-carrying liberal.

edited 21st Nov '12 2:37:47 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#41655: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:39:58 PM

[up] Hey, I'm pretty sure that most card-carrying liberals think that PETA is nuts. Heck, even some of the radicalveganbuddisthippies around here think that PETA is full of it. tongue

Also, that article did mention that the soda bans might be more effective than more education on the matter.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#41656: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:41:11 PM

I mean I'd think the science clearly saying that excessive smoking, drinking, greasy fat, and dearth of exercise will lead to a litany of health woes is at least "irrefutable" as the Earth being 4.5 million years old.

It's 4.5 billion, actually. A billion is 1 000 million, so it's not a small difference.

The evidence for the age of the Earth is more precise and probably more conclusive than that used by doctors when they recommend that you quit smoking, don't drink too much, avoid junk food and do sports. But both of these are very well supported scientific claims, so your comparison is correct.

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#41657: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:44:25 PM

Also, that article did mention that the soda bans might be more effective than more education on the matter.

Well yes, but c'mon. Banning sex would effectively halt the spread of STDs, but nobody thinks that's a good idea either.

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#41658: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:45:47 PM

Sex is far more important than soda. Not an apples-to-apples-comparison.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41659: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:48:50 PM

“You understand so well that African-Americans, women, and members of the LGBT community have been poorly served throughout history,” Newkirk writes, “and now I am asking you to consider other living beings who are ridiculed, belittled, and treated as if their sentience, feelings, and very natures count for nothing.”

TURKEYS ARE NOT SENTIENT! On top of that they aren't people. That is not prejudice. It's simple biology.

Sorry but that bit really set me off. Maxima I don't think anyone in this thread supports PETA. Actually I'm pretty sure most liberals in general think they're insane and give animal rights activists a bad name. They're kind of like the WBC in that regard.

edited 21st Nov '12 2:49:53 PM by Kostya

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#41660: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:56:52 PM

On top of their crazy fanaticism, PETA killed 95% of the animals in their "care" last year. Seriously, fuck them.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#41661: Nov 21st 2012 at 2:59:06 PM

TURKEYS ARE NOT SENTIENT!

Depends on your definition of sentience

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41662: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:01:55 PM

Deviant: Oh really? The general definition I hear is that it's a being that is self-aware. If you show it it's reflection it understands that it's looking at itself. Under this definition things like primates, elephants, and dolphins are sentient but not turkeys.

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#41663: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:04:59 PM

I'm going to regret asking, but why did PETA kill that many animals? Because they were pets or something?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41664: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:06:13 PM

[up]I've heard different stories. One says they did it because they realized they couldn't care for them. Another says it was better that they die than be slaves to humans (even though pets aren't slaves). I'm not sure which is true.

edited 21st Nov '12 3:06:18 PM by Kostya

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#41665: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:06:58 PM

@Max: Actually, that's the whole line of logic behind abstinence-only sex ed. tongue

And it's not like there's a huge sex lobby dedicated to pushing sex on small children. And it's not like there was a huge uproar about how a sex-manufacturer went under and "our kids will never know the joy of eating a sex". tongue

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#41666: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:08:20 PM

Add me to the list of liberals who think "screw PETA" and I'm further left then Gandhi (on a square grid instead of a linier model).

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#41667: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:14:51 PM

They couldn't care/find homes for them. I'm guessing that they would've had more luck with that if they didn't blow their money on extravagant ad campaigns.

And turkeys are sentient - hell, even plants show signs of sentience - they just aren't sapient (capable of reasoning). Mixing the two words up is a pretty common mistake.

edited 21st Nov '12 3:17:20 PM by HilarityEnsues

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#41669: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:23:46 PM

PETA is a thoroughly despicable organization, with their chief and only concern being the well being of animals (which is obviously nonsense, given they euthanize 95% of the animals in their care). They trample on gay rights, they use the objectification of women to further their ad campaigns (which is what they spend most of their money on), they're tied to domestic terrorist groups (Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front), their spokespeople are utter hypocrites (wearing fur clothing and using leather clothing and upholstry), and their founder is bat-fucking-shit-insane, who is morally opposed to giving birth.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41670: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:27:28 PM

[up]I know it's off topic but what is the reasoning behind that last bit?

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#41671: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:31:35 PM

... now that I look for it, I can't find any info on that. :/

But I have found info that PETA is opposed to no-kill shelters.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#41672: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:37:10 PM

Obama Pardons Thanksgiving Turkey

Gary Johnson is Now the Leader of the Libertarian Movement

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41673: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:41:33 PM

Well at least Ron Paul will stop butting his head in things that he knows nothing about. Unfortunately Johnson has the potential to be worse.

Also Rand Paul? Really, you couldn't be a bit more subtle?

Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
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#41674: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:45:50 PM

The name is short for Randal, but it is a bit hard to believe that his father didn't have Ayn Rand in mind when naming him (and in any case, it is a Prophetic Name).

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41675: Nov 21st 2012 at 3:50:36 PM

Peta wants obama to opt out of the turkey pardon?

Alrighty then, lets eat!

I'm baaaaaaack

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