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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
As uh, basically Moderate Republicans in primaries have basically been getting curb-stomped into the ground by the Wingnut Tea Party contenders aiming for their seats since 2010. A prime example would be long-time serving Senator Richard Luger got his ass kicked by Richard "Rape is a Gift from God" Mourdock.
Wait, now I'm confused. How is it possible for the Republican party's core goals to be in defiance and contravention of it's core members?
As uh, basically Moderate Republicans in primaries have basically been getting curb-stomped into the ground by the Wingnut Tea Party contenders aiming for their seats since 2010. A prime example would be long-time serving Senator Richard Luger got his ass kicked by Richard "Rape is a Gift from God" Mourdock.
Well, I guess that answers the question.
edited 20th Nov '12 4:38:13 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honorRead what I said again. I said that there is a core group of GOP voters who control nominations and therefore the party's agenda. This group is not representative of the majority of Republicans, but they also control the media outlet that informs Republican voters: Fox News.
I am saying that modern Republicans live in a self-reinforcing information bubble that locks out reality.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@ Starship: Pretty much. The party has been hijacked by rich wing nuts that believe that if they control the media they can warp the party into what they want it to be. Mostly by painting their opponents with labels like socialist. They'll do this even to republicans like you that don't fit their mould forcing them either to conform to the extremism or be forced out as not True Americans.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickThat's why John Mc Cain, who was lauded for YEARS as being a reasonable, middle-of-the-road Republican, had to morph into a Wingnut Tea Party caricature of himself.
I suggest you read on Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers for prime examples of some of the power brokers that pull the strings of the Republican Party. But as well, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have basically taken control out of the party. Ditto the Tea Party.
Basically the old machinery that knows WHAT and HOW to do things in a sane manner have been kicked out of the cockpit.
Norquist is the author of the "Never raise taxes ever EVER" mentality that's infected the GOP.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Basically, the Democrats want to be inclusive, while the Republicans want to be exclusive. Hence, Democrats have a broad range of appeal, while Republicans appeal to a very core set of values.
edited 20th Nov '12 5:00:58 PM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food BadlySo. What happens if all of the sane Republicans jump ship or are assimilated, but the Tea Party maintains its lock on the hearts and minds of our country's lunatics, regardless of their failure to get the Presidency?
I think you're all being too sanguine about the failure of the Republican Party. Judging by past performance, the fact that they have failed to take the Presidency doesn't mean that the Tea Partiers or their backers will change their views one bit, and their core is still a significant portion of the country's population.
In the end it's always best to make sure we are quoting honestly. Otherwise it takes a lot of value from our point, many of the targets for suck treatment have said something outrageous and highly offensive, so why bother running the risk of damaging your credibility when a truthful quotation will make the point perfectly. Grizzly is right to point out the hypocrisy of people calling out Fox on its lies and misrepresentation then going ahead and twisting statements ourselves.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranComes off as heavily antiquated and misogynistic. :| And also frankly offends me that a kind and loving God would want a woman to have a child through rape. It just makes God a dick in my eyes. Which is not how I see God.
I have 0 respect for Akin or Mourdock and their statements, and they completely deserved to be trounced.
Also God has 0 right to be included in political discourse. Separation of church and state.
edited 20th Nov '12 6:23:10 PM by PotatoesRock
Ramdiel: So the woman has to suffer just because God wants her to? That's essentially what it means.
Thank you.
To be perfectly honest if they are right and God did intend that then he is the most colossal ass that ever existed. What, he couldn't grant her this gift by arranging for her to meet a nice man and engage in consensual sex? It's just a way of justifying an unhealthy control of the woman's body by the state.
edited 20th Nov '12 6:22:51 PM by Kostya
@Kostya: Seriously, cut it out. I am specifically arguing that "rape babies are a gift from God" does not equal "rape is a gift from God." As Grizzly pointed out, that is a horrific lie.
You can attack the statement on its merits all you like, but don't attach a viewpoint to Mourdock that he didn't actually state.
edited 20th Nov '12 6:23:13 PM by Ramidel
It says to me "By golly, that woman should be so happy and joyful she's going to have a child. No matter she suffered a brutal and traumatic experience, or the fact her child could end up genetically inheriting traits that result the same psychopathic behavior that caused her trauma in the first place".
The guy's a misogynist.
He didn't say that women had happy about there 'gift'. Its sorta like getting an ugly Christmas sweater from your grandma, you don't like it but your parents won't let you throw it away because its a gift.
You realize the chances of this are probably lower than being struck by lightning twice
edited 20th Nov '12 6:34:09 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016

I agree that you have legitimate reasons for your beliefs. I think that you are wrong in thinking that the Republican Party is aligned with what you believe.
I believe that the Republican Party's core platform is not actually derived from a majority of its members, but rather a very vocal core group that has the power to control nominations and therefore the direction of the party's politics. This group has the backing of monied interests who see Democratic policies as threats to their wealth and influence.
edited 20th Nov '12 4:34:02 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"