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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40776: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:45:42 PM

Do we know for sure whether or not Iran is building a nuke? Frankly given their track record I'm skeptical. This does not mean we look for a reason to invade though. It just means we keep our eye on them. Unlike North Korea, Russia, and China they are capable of being a threat at this point.

[up][up]...except we're not attacking Iran. The only person who has said that to my knowledge is Romney and he lost anyway. Obama certainly hasn't proposed such a measure. Sure he's not buddy buddy with Iran but he's not about to go starting wars. He's working on ending two right now.

edited 17th Nov '12 3:46:47 PM by Kostya

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#40777: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:45:52 PM

Hm. Debt collections.

So these debt companies are selling debt cheaply to other places that are trying to collect from these people.

Why can't you buy your own debt...?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#40778: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:46:15 PM

My point is - if we go to war with Iran, the Democrats will lose their gains in Congress and the White House in 2014 and 2016.

Iran has a nuclear program, but they're not interested in making a nuke.

edited 17th Nov '12 3:47:19 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#40779: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:46:43 PM

@Serocco: Yes, the Saudis will. They've been doing so for awhile, now. They want to keep power, and being less fundamentalist will allow them to do so.

It won't until the world wises up, and realizes that you never start a land war in Asia, and Afghanistan is in Asia.

Not as long as we continue supporting Israel. If we stop supporting them, they will be significantly less confident. That won't solve the conflict, but it would be an improvement.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#40780: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:48:52 PM

Evidently, when Obama refused to support Netanyahu's calls for war with Iran, the Israelis backpedaled quicker than a turtle neck.

It hasn't stopped the Senate from voting for sanctions, which screw the Iranians' over economically. Sanctions are a prelude to war, more often than not.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#40781: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:49:57 PM

What? We're not going to war with Iran. You've made less and less sense over the last two pages. There's little reason for us to go to war with Iran, and war in general is very low in popularity. Even if they have a nuke, what we're doing now is politicking.

Seriously, we're unlikely to go into another costly war without very serious provocation. you're being paranoid again.

[up]No they're not. They're a peaceful alternative to war.

edited 17th Nov '12 3:50:37 PM by AceofSpades

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#40782: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:52:27 PM

Furthering on my point over how nukes are used for intimidation, or more specifically, deterrence, let's say Iran gets a nuke. What would that mean? Deterrence, because Iranian nuclear weapons could be used to prevent wars – ones started by the US.

edited 17th Nov '12 3:53:26 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40783: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:52:58 PM

Okay what is going on with you? First you say we should bomb the entire middle east so we'd stop having to put up with their bullshit then you say we're terrible people (despite previously advocating a terrible action) and now you're saying we should leave Iran alone...?

Serocco I'm being serious, are you okay? Your rapid shifts in behavior are concerning me. You seem like you're either tired, unwell, or both.

edited 17th Nov '12 3:53:31 PM by Kostya

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#40784: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:55:31 PM

[up]Agreed.

Sweetie, I'm worried, too. sad

edited 17th Nov '12 3:55:55 PM by Euodiachloris

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#40785: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:55:32 PM

I'm saying that as much as I want to bomb everyone, I know I can't because it's a ridiculous proposal and policy.

That same scenario applies to Iran, if they ever get a nuke. Why would they create a nuke and theoretically bomb Israel/America if it'll cause World War III? They won't, because its a fool's errand.

As far as our politics are concerned with Iran having a nuke, I think the reason Americans and Israelis are concerned with Iran having a nuke has more to do with how they won't be able to start as many wars in the Middle East.

Do I make sense now?

edited 17th Nov '12 3:58:23 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#40786: Nov 17th 2012 at 3:57:32 PM

Well, you didn't make that very clear at the beginning. You just said "bomb everything and let the survivors lie there" and then started telling us how evil America was for WW 2. I think you need to get a grip on yourself.

Also, I doubt Iran having the bomb would really deter us if public will went that way. As it is though, I doubt that we'll be picking a fight with them anyway. There's nothing to gain and a crapload more money to lose.

edited 17th Nov '12 3:58:50 PM by AceofSpades

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#40787: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:00:41 PM

Newt Gingrich on Mitt Romney and Barack Obama’s gifts: ‘Why didn’t you outbid him?’

edited 17th Nov '12 4:01:13 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#40788: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:01:13 PM

[up][up][up] WANTING to nuke people is not a good thing!

And while Iran having a nuke 'might' stop a invasion, thats only because THEY COULD WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP WITH ONE.

Countries like that should not have nukes! hell, no one should have them really! [[hottip: well, ok, a couple big ones in case of meteors wouldn't be a bad thing but we dont need those ready 24/7]]

And besides that, The US, and a number of other countries, have the ability to shoot down missiles. A nuke wouldn't stop them, it'd just mean theyd need more interceptor missiles.

edited 17th Nov '12 4:02:36 PM by Joesolo

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#40789: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:02:13 PM

Serocco has been dis-invited from this conversation.

edited 17th Nov '12 4:02:18 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#40790: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:02:56 PM

[up]

What does that even mean?

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#40791: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:05:17 PM

Serocco has a history of borderline behaviour that violates the OTC rules and has finally reached the limit. As such they have been suspended from the OTC.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#40792: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:05:20 PM

Also, stick to the topic. No derails about Iran's nuclear programme or genocide or the reasons behind Truman's decision to drop the bombs on Japan.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#40793: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:12:51 PM

Alrighty.

So. topics.

I'm baaaaaaack
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#40794: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:14:56 PM

When is the "fiscal cliff" going to make politics revolve about itself and what is it, exactly?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#40795: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:22:39 PM

When is the "fiscal cliff" going to make politics revolve about itself and what is it, exactly?
It start January 1st. What it is is essentially a series of massive cuts to federal spending and the end of a series of tax cuts (including the Bush Tax Cuts). The cuts aren't all immediate but they kick in piece by piece.

Krugman's basically said it would be better dubbed an Austerity bomb.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#40797: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:52:26 PM

It sucks because they'll be cutting basically everything, from Social Security to Medicare.

Better than the Grand Bargain, though, which cuts even more, and doesn't even cut Defense like this does.

edited 17th Nov '12 4:53:19 PM by deathpigeon

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#40798: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:54:00 PM

I also agree with Pigeon. Obama calls these sweeping austerity cuts the Grand Bargain.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#40799: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:55:42 PM

I think the USA's enemies are waiting for that moment with some amount of gleeful anticipation. They'll be expecting this to work very much unlike the New Deal.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#40800: Nov 17th 2012 at 4:58:00 PM

What enemies? Everyone else is practicing austerity, particularly in Europe.


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