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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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The only other way possible - abolishing donations to elections, period. Repealing Buckley v. Valeo, a law that declared money equals speech. Repealing Citizens United, a law that declared corporations have the same rights as citizens because money equals speech.
Everything and anything possible to reduce the influence of money in politics. Then voting them out of office.
The bigger picture is that money rules politics. Reducing that influence can go a long way to changing the culture of Washington.
edited 12th Nov '12 5:47:58 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.9/11 and nuclear weapons were ridiculous reasons? Again, you seem to not understand how this would make the Democrats look to the common people. None of them would ever get reelected if they told people to forget about their dead loved ones and the bombs, we're going to ignore them.
Before you say anything yes I know the weapons aren't real but it's not like we knew that at the time.
And how do you intend to destroy these things without voting them out of office?
edited 12th Nov '12 5:48:27 PM by Kostya
I hope Petraeus gets a Secretary job anyway, but then, I suppose you're only allowed to have affairs if you're the sitting President like Bill Clinton.
(Just to be clear, I don't approve of people having affairs, but I don't believe that sex scandals really relate to whether someone can do their damn job or not.)
Let me be clear, I don't want him in either. That's why I signed the petition thing. That doesn't mean I'm freaking out and declaring Obama a traitorous monster for considering, not choosing, considering, its architect. Nowhere does it indicate he is his first choice and nowhere does it indicate he is choosing him for this reason.
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Thank you. It's like the Red Scare. Yes it was bad but at the time it seemed an entirely valid fear.
edited 12th Nov '12 5:51:54 PM by Kostya
I would prefer Jon Huntsman as Secretary of State. He was the Ambassador to China, after all, so he has the most credible experience on it.
Powell was, ultimately, lying, though. I think he was following Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz's instructions, the two guys that engineered the idea that Iraq had nukes in the first place.
edited 12th Nov '12 5:57:02 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.(*I was so fricking disappointed at the American Greens and how few candidates they ran at the lower levels nationwide. Your Canadian cousins have figured out how to win ridings. They don't deserve a vote until they figure out how to make a difference at the lower levels, imho.)
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.Huntsman would be a good choice. Also a smart choice, as it would kill Huntsman's cred with the Republican base and prevent a potential threat to Obama's Democratic successor in 2016. I wonder if he can nominate George P. Bush or Marco Rubio for something...
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.![]()
David Petraeus was also a candidate, but in light of recent events its not likely.
I think Tom Donilon is gonna get it. He has the least amount of baggage.
edited 12th Nov '12 5:57:47 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016I don't consider it cause for alarm because, oh hey, we're already pulling out of Iraq and the like, with no indications whatsoever that this is going to be a thing that Obama is stopping. Somehow I doubt a new Secretary of State can just automatically reverse agreements already put into action.
At this point it's just a waiting game to pull out of the Middle East.
This alarmist reaction you two take verges dangerously on conspiracy theory, and as a rule I don't take those seriously at all. Sign the petition because you don't like this guy, fine. Don't assume it's some neon sign about Obama's desired policy when it's not. There's other guys on the list too, what about their records?
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I don't think Huntsman would take it probably for those reasons. And he doesn't seem to be on the list mentioned on the previous page.
edited 12th Nov '12 5:59:19 PM by AceofSpades
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Obama only left Iraq because the Iraqi government had to kick us out. We were actually planning on staying even longer before then.
On the issue of the State Secretary, I'm not saying Obama will pick Berman. I'm just flashing warning signs in case Obama picks Berman.
edited 12th Nov '12 6:04:47 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.Reading DP's posts recently, I'm not seeing that much from him on this issue.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.You mean the same president who followed up SOPA failing by immediately organizing the torrent spying cabal so they wouldn't need it? Yeah, I can easily see him signing something under the radar the moment it's quiet enough to not be toxic.

So tell me how exactly are you going to run everyone in government out of town?