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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#39601: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:13:03 PM

Agreed.

Besides, let's be honest with ourselves: we're just now starting to win against regressives; we've got a long way to go before we can compete with the conservatives ideology that is so embedded in this country. Yes, this was a good election for progressives, but let's not go overboard with the celebration just yet. If we can get to the point where people like Obama are no longer seen as the radical left, then maybe we can really get somewhere.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39602: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:15:04 PM

I'm just enjoying being able to see the strain of people who think this election was about taking "their country" back, have lost. That "their country" is dead.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39603: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:15:18 PM

Okay now I'm sorry I linked to that tumblr...

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39605: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:28:03 PM

The Colorado and Washington laws would treat marijuana much like alcohol and tobacco, setting the stage for a large scale, tightly regulated, and generously taxed commercial industry worth some untold millions of dollars. Simply put, these would be the most lax marijuana laws in the world — smack dab in the middle of the country that invented the modern drug war.

The big question now is: Will Obama let it happen?

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#39606: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:31:08 PM

Someone show him research on all the tax revenue it would bring, and remind him what it would be like to be the NEXT Democratic president who gave us a surplus after an enormous deficit.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#39607: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:33:27 PM

Except you could argue it's a bad precedent to just let State governments ignore Federal law; that's what several have been trying to do with the Affordable Care Act, after all.

edited 10th Nov '12 2:38:52 PM by RavenWilder

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#39608: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:34:05 PM

I think that Obama's reaction is going to be "let's pretend that this isn't in violation of pre-empting federal law by not doing anything about it except to prevent it from spilling out". Clinton did something similar when California enacted similar permissions.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39609: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:36:14 PM

Here's what'll happen. They will sue to block parts of the Marijuana legalization measures, send threatening letters to Marijuana shops (seizure of property and arrest, namely), perform street-level clampdowns (even though Marijuana is legal in those states) and send warning letters to the state governors.

Now, the Colorado and Washington Governors are Democrats who opposed the measure to legalize Marijuana, but since it has been legalized, they said that they will enforce it. Let's see if they do so.

edited 10th Nov '12 2:39:18 PM by Serocco

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#39610: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:39:15 PM

Why is it that Democrats have to be mindful that almost have the country doesn't agree with them, but Republicans can claim a mandate when they are in power under equivalent circumstances?

They can't.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39611: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:40:09 PM

[up] Bush would like to have a word with you on that, Grizzly.

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#39612: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:41:57 PM

I would like to have a word with Bush on that.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39613: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:43:25 PM

Bush: I earned political capitol from this campaign and I intend to spend it.

He only had 282 Electoral College votes back at 2004. Yet he claims that he has "the will of the American people" in that video.

edited 10th Nov '12 2:45:05 PM by Serocco

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#39614: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:47:59 PM

I would like to have a word with Bush on that.

The choir. You are preaching to it.

edited 10th Nov '12 2:48:22 PM by EdwardsGrizzly

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39615: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:51:46 PM

Nate Silver has some interesting statistics here. Apparently only Ohio and Florida had a smaller Obama victory than the national average. Looking at this he could have even lost Virginia and still won. Basically the Republicans might have a ton of strongholds in a lot of states but if the Democratic candidates continue to perform in this manner they don't even need those states to consistently win.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39616: Nov 10th 2012 at 2:58:38 PM

Go to the 1:16 minute mark on this video and stop watching at 1:37. It's about then-Senator Obama claiming that he won't go after states that legalize pot.

Try practicing what you're preaching, Mister President.

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#39617: Nov 10th 2012 at 3:11:37 PM

For the future, you can link to a specific point in a youtube video by right-clicking it.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#39618: Nov 10th 2012 at 3:12:16 PM

Government agencies have a legal obligation to crackdown on pot due to Federal Law. You want it changed, bring it to the courts or get Congress to change the laws.

edited 10th Nov '12 3:12:56 PM by PotatoesRock

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39619: Nov 10th 2012 at 3:21:40 PM

Serocco: Re: The Drug War:

Okay, those are empirically verifiable predictions. If it turns out that your expectations are wrong, and that doesn't happen, are you going to re-evaluate?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39620: Nov 10th 2012 at 3:22:14 PM

[up][up] I'm not talking about state vs federal law. I'm talking about Obama failing to lie up to his promise about, as conservatives would say, "respecting states rights". I mean, look at Clinton - he only tried to make sure legalization didn't happen in any state, instead of actively cracking down on them.

edited 10th Nov '12 3:43:13 PM by Serocco

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39621: Nov 10th 2012 at 3:27:04 PM

No, you're missing my point. You went ahead and made a bold prediction based on your conceptions of who Obama is, that his administration is going to step up the War on Drugs in objection to the states simply legalizing marijuana. What I'm saying is, if it turns out you're wrong-if he doesn't pursue the issue-are you going to re-evaluate your views on Obama in regards to the drug war.

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#39622: Nov 10th 2012 at 4:13:35 PM

Has Florida finished counting yet?

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#39623: Nov 10th 2012 at 4:16:26 PM

Yes it went to Obama. So the final tally was 332 to 206.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39624: Nov 10th 2012 at 4:16:33 PM

Yes. It doesn't matter though since Romney conceded it to Obama a few days ago.

[up]Which is exactly what the map projections said when I first started paying attention (mid-June). Nice to know nothing really changed.

edited 10th Nov '12 4:17:13 PM by Kostya

Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#39625: Nov 10th 2012 at 4:17:00 PM

[up]Everyone's called it for El Presidente by now, so it doesn't really matter one way or another.


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