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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39501: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:32:45 PM

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True.

Still Rand was rather open with her detest for Libertarians.

In an 1981 interview, Rand described Libertarians as "a monstrous, disgusting bunch of people" who "plagiarize my ideas when that fits their purpose."

edited 9th Nov '12 8:34:34 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#39502: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:33:57 PM

@Midget

Exactly. Which is why they are going to need both a strong brown-ish politician front a center as well as some actual compromise on immigration issues. Two things that aren't that likely to happen in the GOP without major hissy fits by the white dude in charge.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39503: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:43:30 PM

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Rand is to Libertarians what Reagan is to Republicans and Jesus is to Tea Partiers. a figurehead to idolize while conveniently ignoring any part of the message that doesnt fit their own ideals.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#39504: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:43:53 PM

At least Reagan and Jesus were likeable.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#39505: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:44:00 PM

[up][up]That has never stopped them from practically worshiping her philosophy. And going by Paul Ryan, the admiration isn't limited just to Libertarians, it's a general thing with the far right.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#39506: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:50:50 PM

Libertarianism has some interesting ideas but falls apart when you add the human element. Instead I'll stay a liberal with some rather extreme ideas about freedom.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39507: Nov 9th 2012 at 8:58:24 PM

Obama reiterates that rich must pay more in taxes

Tulsi Gabbard becomes first Hindu-American in US Congress

edited 9th Nov '12 9:01:06 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39508: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:06:01 PM

Do you know who coined the term "Fiscal Cliff?" Where it's basically a warning to Washington on not to raise taxes?

Ben Bernanke, a Bush era Republican.

edited 9th Nov '12 9:07:36 PM by Serocco

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39509: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:12:52 PM

@Thorn: true. But The two groups who seem to love Rand best were groups she despised.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#39510: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:25:12 PM

Midget: Te comprende bien; soy Dominicano. My father is an upper-middle class fiscal conservative, a Massachusetts Republican who hates Bush and absolutely loathes Romney. I thought he was an isolated case, then I read those comments.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39511: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:31:43 PM

I have a feeling Mayor Bloomberg might run for the presidency in 2016, as well as Rick Perry (if he wins re-election as governor), Marco Rubio (he'll be old enough by then) and Chris Christie.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39512: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:35:03 PM

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I still think Paul Ryan is gonna give it a shot in 2016

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39513: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:36:56 PM

[up] Oh, right - also Paul Ryan. I forgot about him.

edited 9th Nov '12 9:37:02 PM by Serocco

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LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#39514: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:39:05 PM

Don't forget Santorum.

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39515: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:39:35 PM

I've been meaning to ask, does anyone know why the costs of Medicare/Medicaid are going up so dramatically?

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39516: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:40:15 PM

If Santorum or Ryan gets the nods it'll pretty much sink any chance of ever getting the latino or black or woman vote in a million years.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#39517: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:41:49 PM

[up][up]Baby boomers (at least for Medicare).

edited 9th Nov '12 9:44:07 PM by Ekuran

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#39518: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:46:07 PM

I've been meaning to ask, does anyone know why the costs of Medicare/Medicaid are going up so dramatically?
A lot of people born in the 40s~60s got very old, and they had the highest birthrate in a loooong time.

edited 9th Nov '12 9:46:28 PM by PotatoesRock

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39519: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:52:12 PM

Obama just won the election by an unbelievably large margin, as far as the Electoral College is concerned. He has no political pressure, because the Republicans shot themselves in the foot with how terrible the results were for them in the Senate and White House. He can make the GOP look unreasonable if they obstruct again. The polls are on his side, regarding tax raises and not cutting the social programs.

And yet, he'll blow all of that straight out of the window if he does the Grand Bargain, especially during the lame-duck session, where he has less Democratic Congressmen.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39520: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:53:25 PM

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Please, the GOP have adopted a 'no comprise ever' attitude. They will never agree to the bargain.

edited 9th Nov '12 9:53:51 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39521: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:54:11 PM

The Grand Bargain is when they cut the social programs. Are you honestly telling me they won't agree to that?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#39522: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:54:36 PM

Well, the article I'm reading, and it was linked earlier in the thread, says he's determined that the whole raising of taxes on the rich thing is non-negotiable. Here's to hoping he keeps to his guns.

Here it is again for those that missed it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/obama-warns-congress-making-the-wealthy-pay-a-little-more-is-non-negotiable/article5159225/

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#39523: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:57:02 PM

Making the wealthy pay a little more means nothing if he's gonna cut the social programs more.

That's like having four of your fingers cut off and keeping your thumb.

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#39524: Nov 9th 2012 at 9:57:55 PM

I'm really unsure about this fiscal cliff thing. I highly doubt they're willing to compromise. They're going to do the same thing as they did last year when they got our credit rating downgraded.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#39525: Nov 9th 2012 at 10:00:28 PM

Krugman's article says it's not that bad, really, because there aren't immediate effects. There's more time to turn things around, even after the date. So it's not like we hit bottom right away. And it hurts their interests as much or more than ours if we go past it. So. Guess it's time for Obama and the Dems to play political chicken? Iunno. It's a tricky situation.

[up][up]It can help to prove that things like Social Security won't go bankrupt. And, perhaps, be the start of curing our politics of the "no taxes ever" rhetoric. We can only do a little at a time, Serroco.

edited 9th Nov '12 10:01:31 PM by AceofSpades


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