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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#39426: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:16:05 PM

L Mage, we have registered addresses. The IRS knows where to send their mail. So does the DMV so they can send us our vehicle registration papers. THEY ALREADY HAVE OUR ADDRESSES ON FILE. It's nothing anyone would freak out about unless they went to extra measures to be off the government grid.

Anyway, they mail us registration cards when we turn eighteen. The idea is to fill out the form and get our cards when they're sent. And this is if you haven't run into a registration desk held at schools and stuff. It's... not really that big a deal.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#39427: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:16:11 PM

@Question

I think that asking if any part of a country secede. It becomes a problem of who going to do what with it. Then it the problem if they want to rejoin in the end.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39428: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:16:23 PM

[up][up][up]

Generally, we're good at bluster because half our electorate is paranoid as fuck.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:16:40 PM by Midgetsnowman

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#39429: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:19:56 PM

So has anybody mentioned Florida being claimed blue yet?

edited 9th Nov '12 3:21:43 PM by SomeSortOfTroper

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#39430: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:23:20 PM

Yes, a few people did.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#39431: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:34:38 PM

@last page: Back in the 80's it was Quebec who held a vote on whether they wanted to separate or not. It failed (ever so slightly) but the general idea was peaceful separation. The U.S. really wouldn't have any reason to seize them as the only thing coming out of Quebec is beer and assholes.

Now if a state decided to secede? And for the sake of argument let's make it California.

I'm guessing you'd need a super-majority of the state's population choosing to separate then you'd need to come to an arrangement with the federal government about the separation. In Cali's case this probably means paying them back loaned money, giving back military resources and other regional shit the feds control.

If things weren't so cheery you'd see a seizure of the military resources along with a general arming of the state's population to control the borders and if things ever got that bad odds are other states are doing the same and it's all gone to shit.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:35:11 PM by thatguythere47

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#39432: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:36:07 PM

To be fair, grizzly, what was likely meant is more "the average rural youth has no fucking idea how life in an inner city setting is, which makes it extremely hard to them to understand why democratic strongholds in cities feel the way they do politically about republican ideals of self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps".

And conversely, the average urbanite has no fucking idea how life in a low-cost rural setting is, making it extremely hard for them to understand why republicans feel ideals of self-reliance and such are still valid. Keep in mind, it's only been recently that the economy has gotten so bad that these areas were actually hit with more than just slightly increased food/gas costs.

MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan!
#39433: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:44:12 PM

L Mage, we have registered addresses. The IRS knows where to send their mail. So does the DMV so they can send us our vehicle registration papers. THEY ALREADY HAVE OUR ADDRESSES ON FILE. It's nothing anyone would freak out about unless they went to extra measures to be off the government grid. Anyway, they mail us registration cards when we turn eighteen. The idea is to fill out the form and get our cards when they're sent. And this is if you haven't run into a registration desk held at schools and stuff. It's... not really that big a deal.

Ok, so it's not that different. So why not skip the whole registration thing and send every citizen a voting card? I still haven't heard a very convincing argument why people would make a system like this...

Mache dich, mein Herze, rein...
QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#39434: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:46:12 PM

[up][up][up] I kind of knew about that referendum. And the one after.

And we export more thing than "beer and assholes".

But the main rhetoric behind "the USA would invade us if we separated" was that the USA would want to landgrab Quebec for it's water (we got some water here*

). The previous quoted statement works even if you replace "USA" by "Canada", since that argument is basically "We'll be defenseless without Canada!"

edited 9th Nov '12 3:46:19 PM by QuestionMarc

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#39435: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:47:17 PM

I am cracking up at how many of those LA Secession Petition signatories are not from LA.

Midnight: Because that would be government doing something. The people who weren't aware of this would see it as a new level of government intrusion into their privacy, and the politicians who run on voter disenfranchisement and claiming that the government never gets anything good done ever would prey on that first group of people.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#39436: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:48:41 PM

Here is the reason: States hate each other. The amount of paper work a person has to go through to get their information to change would be just ridiculous. First they would have to tell their old state that they are moving then you have to contact the national government to send the information to the new state and then you have to find out if they receive it. So what you are asking is why not make it harder then it is now.

[up]There is also that.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:50:35 PM by theweirdKiddokun

The Reaper Games starts anew.
MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan!
#39437: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:49:38 PM

Yeah, it does go against certain people's interests to change this...

Is it true you have to specify a party affiliation when registering as a voter, by the way?

Mache dich, mein Herze, rein...
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#39438: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:50:01 PM

@Midnight: Also, not everyone is on file with the DMV or the IRS, nor are those records always accurate. The IRS only knows where you live if you haven't moved since the last time you filled out a W-2, and the DMV only knows where you live if you haven't moved since you last filed your address with them.

[up] Not always. In Washington State, that's optional.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:50:26 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan!
#39439: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:54:27 PM

But it's still possible? That's kind of weird to me - how the hell is it the government's business which party anyone votes for?

Around here, only about 2% of the population are officially affiliated with any political party: they're party members. Which means Exactly What It Says on the Tin, they're members of certain political organisation, the government has nothing to do with it.

Mache dich, mein Herze, rein...
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39440: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:57:56 PM

Seriously?

There is the point when the drama about loosing an election just gets ridiculous.

Take it with a pinch of salt, its all part of a fun tradition we have in this country.

If a Democrat wins, then a whole bunch of enraged conservatives claim there gonna succeed.

If a Republican wins, then a whole bunch of enraged liberals claim there gonna leave for Canada or Europe.

Its all fun and games.

And besides its an Internet petition.

EDIT: Plus at least 1/5th of the signers don't live in Louisiana.

edited 9th Nov '12 4:01:59 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#39441: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:59:23 PM

jetblue did a hilarious ad campaign about it, too

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#39442: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:59:33 PM

But it's still possible? That's kind of weird to me - how the hell is it the government's business which party anyone votes for?

The government doesn't know who you vote for(all ballots are secret). Just because you affiliate yourself with the Democrat party doesn't mean you are required to vote for their candidates.

That said, the you are given the option to select your party when you register to vote. The reason for this is so that you can vote in said party's primary. Most states have a rule that says something along the lines of "if you're not a democrat/republican, you cannot be voting in their primary election".

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#39443: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:04:13 PM

Ashley Judd may run for Mitch McConnell's Senate seat in Kentucky in 2014

edited 9th Nov '12 4:04:35 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan!
#39444: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:07:52 PM

[up][up] But isn't it supposed to be the parties' duty to keep track of who's on their rolls, rather than the government's?

Mache dich, mein Herze, rein...
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39445: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:08:11 PM

Speaking of Mitch:

Mitch McConnell: 'We Have a Voter Mandate Not to Raise Taxes'

[up]

Honestly, I think Statistics makers are the people who really control the American Government.

edited 9th Nov '12 4:19:57 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#39446: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:17:21 PM

But isn't it supposed to be the parties' duty to keep track of who's on their rolls, rather than the government's?

The parties do keep track of those who are on their rolls... The issue is that you do not register to vote through your party(unless you register to vote on the day of a primary). You register to vote via the government.

The government doesn't use the information for anything other than handing it off to the respective parties(at least, not yet). It's treated as nothing more than census data. Like whether your black/male/under 30 or not(which the government shouldn't care about, but does because of demographics)...

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#39447: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:40:31 PM

The Supreme Court is going to look at the constitutionality of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.

According to the article, Section 5 makes it so that states with a past history of discrimination must clear all changes to election laws with federal officials.

edited 9th Nov '12 4:40:55 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#39448: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:41:30 PM

Edit: Dang it, Braeburn, stop linking all the good stuff before I can complain about it. ;(

I try not to use the word 'hate' very often, but I really, really, really, REALLY.

Really dislike Mc Connell.

"Let me put it very clearly," says the five-term Republican senator from Kentucky. "I am not willing to raise taxes to turn off the sequester. Period."

"Look, he may think it would be helpful to his presidency to continue to divide and demonize us," says Mr. Mc Connell. "But my answer will still be short and firm: No. We won't agree to any tax increases that will hurt the economy."

If the president does sit down and negotiate in good faith, Mr. Mc Connell sees positive effects on Wall Street and the overall economy because Washington will have "convinced the rest of the world and the financial community that the Americans are serious about fixing their fundamental problem, and we're not going the way of Greece and Italy and Spain with these trillion-dollar deficits."

And what if the president insists on raising tax rates? Expect a principled stand by the minority leader and his fellow Republicans: "He's got to understand he doesn't fully control the Senate. He doesn't control the House at all. In order to accomplish things for the country he will need to work with us."

As Mr. Mc Connell walks me to the door, he adds: "You know, he doesn't own the place."

The above from the Wall Street Journal.

No, he doesn't own the place! Your party does, by dint of their willingness to cockblock anything they don't like: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm

I'm sorry, but based on these statements, I don't see any compromise coming our way for the 'fiscal cliff.' I foresee the Democrats wimping out and giving in, or refusing to do so and letting the fit hit the shan. That's the best we're going to get unless the party breaks ranks with itself.

edited 9th Nov '12 4:44:19 PM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39449: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:45:40 PM

I heard some CE Os fired their workers after Obama was re-elected.

Got some names I can Google, Serocco? I'd love to have new targets for protest letters.

Here's one: Bob Murray

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#39450: Nov 9th 2012 at 4:58:09 PM

From the comments in the above article, I found a Blaze article which shows a few of the companies which have laid off workers since the election.

Notably, it doesn't seem like all of them are in response to Obama's reelection.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

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