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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39401: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:39:41 PM

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To be fair, grizzly, what was likely meant is more "the average rural youth has no fucking idea how life in an inner city setting is, which makes it extremely hard to them to understand why democratic strongholds in cities feel the way they do politically about republican ideals of self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps".

I mean really, if theres one thing that poisons any discourse, its that the middle class or upper cllass white, or tyhe rural voter, has absolutely nothing in common with a lower middle class or poor city voter in their circumstances and opportunities.

edited 9th Nov '12 2:41:49 PM by Midgetsnowman

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#39402: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:41:03 PM

[up][up] I think it's less "education" in the traditional sense and more just simple exposure to other ideas and ways of life. And it'd work both ways too, since urban youth would possibly get a chance to see that not all rural communities are like Backwoods Appalachia.

[up] Ninjas, ninjas everywhere.

edited 9th Nov '12 2:41:54 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#39403: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:43:48 PM

@Grizzly: They wouldn't be educated by urban youth. They would be educated about urban youth by spending time with urban youth, if that makes sense.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39404: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:45:33 PM

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This. Its a lot easier to get shit done if people understand that lifestyles outside their own exist. otherwise its all too easy to assume that since low wage jobs and gender gaps arent readily apparently in a closeknit country town, that any liberal city boy talking about it is lying.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#39405: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:51:07 PM

Seriously?

There is the point when the drama about loosing an election just gets ridiculous.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39406: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:53:27 PM

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let them have their fun. Not like an internet petition means jack shit.

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#39407: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:55:51 PM

Especially funny since they want 25,000 signatures.

I mean, sure, let's secede from the US because 25,000 people on 4,574,836 wants to secede.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#39408: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:56:40 PM

I don't think anyone takes the idea of secession seriously enough for it to be anything more than a joke these days. Especially at the actual state and federal levels of government.

Well, except for Rick Perry, apparently. He said something about it.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#39409: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:57:33 PM

[up][up]They want to ragequit a country because their candidate didn't win an election...what makes you think they have enough basic understanding of democracy to appreciate that fact?

edited 9th Nov '12 2:57:41 PM by 3of4

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#39410: Nov 9th 2012 at 2:59:49 PM

How the hell do you get from a voluntary youth farm work program to the Khmer Rouge?

Oh, it was the first thing that came to mind when thinking about 'sending urban citizens into the countryside to work on farms'. But yeah, it's a terrible comparison. tongue

Anyway, I have a question: why do you have to 'register to vote' in the US? Here, anyone who's registered as a citizen is automatically registered as a voter as well; when elections are coming up, everyone gets a "voter's pass" in the mail. You bring that pass and your ID card to the polling station, and you can cast your vote.

So why do Americans have to register separately in order to vote? What's the reasoning behind it?

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#39412: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:01:37 PM

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It's the main way they get a firm grip on who's actually voting demographically.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:01:53 PM by LMage

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39413: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:01:45 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/11/09/energy-ceo-lays-off-staff-with-a-prayer.html#comments

So yeah. That coal company that forced its workers to attend a Romney rally? Now theyre offering prayers on stages and firing workers because Romney lost and Obama is waging a "war on coal"

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#39414: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:02:09 PM

[up][up][up]Brits have to do that, too. <shrugs> Mind you, they also go by Council info in sending you the registration pack in the first place, so...

edited 9th Nov '12 3:02:25 PM by Euodiachloris

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#39415: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:02:20 PM

While we're on the subject of secession (as silly as the idea may sounds), I had a question related to that:

You think that it is an option for the USA to invade any "wanna-be" countries in North America?

I'm not just talking about Louisiana or Texas (those guys wanted to secede right?), I'm also thinking about Canadian separatist, like Quebec. Or another province. I think I heard about another province who wanted to separate, but I can't re-call which one.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39416: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:02:52 PM

Plus because of state and city elections.

[up]I think to many problems would come up with that.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:03:47 PM by theweirdKiddokun

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#39417: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:03:02 PM

@Midnight: It's mostly for districting, I think. In WA, it's also so that they can send your ballot to the proper address.

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#39418: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:03:32 PM

not all rural communities are like Backwoods Appalachia

I also rather resent the implication that backwoods Appalachia is a bad thing.

That said, I agree with the general sentiment that, to the extent that rural and city areas are uninformed about each other's lifestyles (a somewhat dubious claim, given the amount of moving around that already happens), more contact between them might smooth relations. But it's a two-way street, and statements like this

That could also backfire and turn the city population into frothing lunatics.

are somewhat offensive, and would be very offensive if they were serious.

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QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#39419: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:08:30 PM

@ Kiddokun: What do you mean, it would be too much hassle for the US and they wouldn't bother? Or that they could easily do it but the general population might be outraged?

MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#39420: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:08:51 PM

[up][up][up] But don't you have basic civil records for that? Like, every county keeps a list of its inhabitants and where they live, and when any government agency needs to contact a citizen, they use those lists? That's how it works here.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:09:05 PM by MidnightRambler

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#39421: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:09:19 PM

@ QM: I doubt we'd invade them unless they pulled some questionable shit that could logically endanger US citizens. It's one thing to do something across the ocean on another continent, but invading any part of Canada is another kettle of fish entirely.

That and if separatism happens, it's much more like to be a legal and peaceful one when speaking of Canada. In the sense that it's more likely to be done democratically, anyway. Mexico.... separatism isn't the problem with Mexico, but I don't think we're likely to invade them any time soon either.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#39422: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:09:42 PM

@Grizz: You know the stereotype I'm talking about. tongue

@Midnight: Not really. Notifying the government when you move is usually voluntary. They can track you down if it's really needed, but that's really difficult for them.

edited 9th Nov '12 3:10:46 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#39423: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:11:08 PM

@Midnight

If the government kept official public records of stuff like that somewhere and it was pubic knowledge that they did, people would FREAK OUT.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#39424: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:13:36 PM

[up]Hmmm... check a load of this, then: The Electoral Registers. I guess Brits are freaky. tongue Heck, any Euro is. [lol]

edited 9th Nov '12 3:14:22 PM by Euodiachloris

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#39425: Nov 9th 2012 at 3:15:16 PM

So the main thing to retain here is that the US wouldn't touch any country that separated from Canada to avoid pissing off Canada?

I never really believed the people who used the "But teh USAz woold in-vade us!!!1!" argument, but I was still curious.

Not that I want to separate anyway.


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