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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39126: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:48:01 PM

Irrelevant. People will forget all about the Fiscal Cliff by 2016~

The real question is whether or not the hypothesis that "the electorate is different in mid-term elections" is true. If so, the Dems seriously need to step up their ground game in 2014.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39127: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:48:44 PM

@Maxima: yes. One of Romney's Biggest flaws was that even without Obama's help,. he never quite came off as someone who understood the pains and tribulations of the average person.

When you're running against someone like Obama who even if you dont like his politics, can come off as a caring human being who wants your life to be happy, you are toast if you cannot break the image of that.

Its why Dubya won originally. He had the same quality as Obama of being a guy you wouldnt mind hanging out with and talking with even if you disagree with him politically.

@ Potatoes: lots of tea Party aligned congressmen were summarily thrown out of office on tuesday night. Their coalisition isnt quite as strong as it was now.

edited 8th Nov '12 3:50:01 PM by Midgetsnowman

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#39128: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:49:54 PM

People won't forget the cliff when we fall off it and our economy crashes again.

I have zero faith a compromise will be reached.

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Romney felt like a walking caricature of the 1%

edited 8th Nov '12 3:50:30 PM by Thorn14

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#39129: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:50:04 PM

Most people don't hate Obamacare you know.

I think Obamacare is one of the most brilliant, and overdue, pieces of legislation in a long time. I resent being told I must get it.

There are a good few of us who feel that way, no matter what the liberal media says.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#39130: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:51:27 PM

You also gotta pay taxes you know.

When you live in a country, there are some things as a citizen you just have to accept.

Like wearing pants.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39132: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:54:12 PM

John Boehner: ‘Raising tax rates is unacceptable’

So basically Boehner is willing to talk about the possibility of raising tax rates but is still sternly opposed to actually doing so.

In Boehner's own words:

But Boehner remained adamant:: “Raising tax rates is unacceptable. And frankly, it couldn’t even pass the House. I’m not sure it could pass the Senate.”

“Of course, we’ll talk about it. We talk about all kinds of things we may disagree on,” Boehner said. “I’m the most reasonable, responsible person here in Washington. The president knows it. He knows that he and I can work together. The election’s over. Now it’s time to get to work.”

I just love how he describers himself as 'the most reasonable, responsible person here in Washington.'

edited 8th Nov '12 3:55:33 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#39133: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:54:53 PM

Honestly, after two terms of Bush, a Romney victory would inspire little more than a Here We Go Again! kind of reaction from me.

And that tumblr is just ridiculous. I don't think every Republican is like that, but all the people who think Obama's somehow destroyed America are incredibly delusional.

It's not about Republican vs Democrat for me, in this case. It's about realizing that Obama, Bush, etc are flawed human beings and you cannot act as though they're these creatures made from pure malevolence if you want anyone to take you seriously.

edited 8th Nov '12 3:56:08 PM by HilarityEnsues

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#39134: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:54:57 PM

Thorn, if Obama had simply said "Look gang, even in a Recession, we're living pretty damn good. But some of your brothers and sisters aren't, and they dropping dead for lack of coverage. I'm telling you to kick in extra to support them," I'd have gotten a "Obamacare 4 Life!" tatoo the same day.

As a staunch defender of individual freedom, I resent the government mandate. Call it a tax and be done with it.

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#39135: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:55:09 PM

About Obamacare, I just wonder how many people that dislike it understand the simple fact that the "tax" doesn't apply to you if you're already insured. It's not simply a tax raise. It's about whether you're covered when you're supposed to be.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39136: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:01:43 PM

[up]Irrelevant. My dad (and probably many others) feel that companies will just drop insurance plans and take the penalty because it's cheaper. This forces people to pay for their own care.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#39137: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:02:59 PM

About Obamacare, I just wonder how many people that dislike it understand the simple fact that the "tax" doesn't apply to you if you're already insured. It's not simply a tax raise. It's about whether you're covered when you're supposed to be.

I do. But I want the President and be honest and say "Look, we're demanding you kick in a little extra if you're not insured, since if you're not and you need services, it'll be a burden on the rest." See, I can work with that. That's the kind of socialism that right-wingers can get down with.

When you say "penalty", it starts to sound uncomfortably like a nanny-state. I don't like nanny-states.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39138: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:03:34 PM

Tim Pawlenty: Election 'warning signs' for GOP

It seems Pawlenty is (happily) ending his career as a politician.

edited 8th Nov '12 4:03:47 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#39139: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:04:25 PM

[up]x3 I thought the penalty was talking about individuals mandated to be insured, not companies required to provide coverage.

[up][up]Well, the Supreme Court defined it as a tax, so I guess that might help.

edited 8th Nov '12 4:04:48 PM by Trivialis

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39140: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:04:49 PM

I resent the government mandate. Call it a tax and be done with it.
Pretty much everyone on the left would've preferred a single-payer system, but the Republican party would never have gone for it. So the left did the next-best thing — something that has much the same outcome as single-payer, but is friendlier to the right. The right opposed it to the death anyway, but I don't think the attempt at compromise was wasted.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#39141: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:05:08 PM

I think Obamacare is one of the most brilliant, and overdue, pieces of legislation in a long time. I resent being told I must get it.
It's a nessicety due to how the insurance industry works. You want premiums from insurance companies to drop? Everyone has to be involved, or pay a fee for it. Health Care and Education are two major industries where the laws of standard economics fall apart due to how reality works.

Someone better than me with health insurance can explain why everyone has to be integrated or else the system won't work.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39142: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:06:40 PM

Christie calls Obama to congratulate, emails Romney condolences

...What is Christie up to?

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39143: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:07:43 PM

In possibly the most amusing hissyfit yet, former Ron Paul aide Eric Dondero has decided to react to the election by boycotting democrats forever.

In other words, refusing to talk to anyone he knows is a democrat ever again, any music by a democrat, possibly vandalizing any property owned by a democrat. refusing to watch any tv show or radio affiliated with a democrat, and even would pause before saving a democrat from falling off a bridge unless he said "Obama sucks" first.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html?test=true

edited 8th Nov '12 4:08:39 PM by Midgetsnowman

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39144: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:09:21 PM

John Boehner: 'Obamacare is the law of the land'

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#39145: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:09:30 PM

@Jovian, Trivialis, Potatoes Rock - Honestly, I see what the President was doing. I mean it when I say I admire the hell out of Obamacare.

The concept that those of us who have plenty should kick in a little more so that the lesser fortunate might be taken care of as well is a pinnacle value of the religious right.

(Pause) How horrifying is it that many Republicans would call me a Socialist for suggesting that Obamacare is very much a right-wing, conservative, sound financial policy minus some poorly worded language?

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39146: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:10:31 PM

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Thats kind of the sad part about the party in general, maxima. A once noble group of people has been taken over by people who seriously believe in every lie theyve been feeding themselves for years.

Its reached a point where discourse is near impossible because "compromise is democrats coming over to our side"

or as that article I just link shows. Some people simply think the mature way to handle a loss is to treat the other side with nothing but contempt and hatred.

edited 8th Nov '12 4:14:32 PM by Midgetsnowman

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#39147: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:13:43 PM

Rubio to headline fundraiser for Iowa governor

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#39148: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:16:12 PM

Thats kind of the sad part about the party in general, maxima. A once noble group of people has been taken over by people who seriously believe in every lie theyve been feeding themselves for years.

Maybe the Liberal left can help the religious Right regain its more noble self; but remind us that we lose nothing by sharing our wealth, that disagreeing with us doesn't vacate your rights, that we're stronger together rather than apart.

Hope and Change, basically.

God help me, TV Tropes is going to turn me into a Leftie. grin

edited 8th Nov '12 4:16:54 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#39149: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:16:25 PM

@Braeburn: Christie is starting the Christie 2016 campaign.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#39150: Nov 8th 2012 at 4:17:57 PM

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pfft. You're no leftie. Just a republican who mirrors what used to make compromise fuckin possible :P


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