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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38826: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:11:31 PM

Even on social issues, the Democrats are only very weakly to the left, and that doesn't seem like it's going to change very soon.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#38827: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:11:39 PM

@Starship:

1. Because zygotes are more sapient and full of life then the thinking animals we slaughter on mass just to eat (is not a vegetarian, but I know full well what I'm doing when I eat meat).

2. Because full on liberal Nordic countries have obviously self-destructed rather rather than being the best countries to live on this planet.

3. At the expense of all those poor people, because the 400 richest Americans combined obviously need more money than the poorer half of this country.

4. Yeah, kick those Mexicans out and send them back to their drug cartel run hellhole of a country (with the drug cartels in question being funded by the marijuana we've deemed illegal).

5. Just like saying blacks and whites shouldn't marry isn't hate speech at all, right?

6. Fuck yeah, 'murica be shooting all dem sand niggas when they git too uppity, rather than saving murder as the absolute last fucking possibility.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:13:30 PM by Ekuran

Fish1 h Since: Sep, 2010
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#38828: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:11:42 PM

It's one thing to say you disapprove of gay marriage. It's another to campaign against via baseless and bigoted fearmongering. That being said, we have other threads to discuss this issue.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:15:51 PM by Fish1

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38829: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:13:43 PM

Ekuran

5. Just like saying blacks and whites shouldn't marry isn't hate speech at all, right?

Actually it isn't.

deathpigeon

@Starship: It's less that common sense prevails over the differences between the parties

Just to clarify, he said common cause, not common sense. I thought it was common sense too, but noting this in case this is important.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:15:25 PM by Trivialis

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38830: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:15:26 PM

[up] Nor should it be, in my opinion.

...Uh. Well. I feel stupid, now. Replace sense with cause in my response, and it's still true, though.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38831: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:16:10 PM

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And that ladies and gentleman, is how you take a flamethrower too a self constructed Strawman.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:16:36 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#38832: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:17:02 PM

You know, sometimes I think we're simultaneously over enamored and overly cynical with our form of government.

London has extremely though anti-gun laws and anti-hate speech laws and their doing just fine, some would argue much better then we are.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#38833: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:17:59 PM

2: apparently Rush believes most of america wants everything handed to them on a platter.

This is 10 pages and 8 hours old, but no one commented on it, and it needs to be rebuked...

Everyone would love to be handed things on a platter. If you were offered a thousand dollars, a million dollars, or even various possessions with no strings, you'd take it. Everyone would. To claim otherwise is bullshit.

Thinking that people believe Obama will give them free things and only voted for him for that reason is the stupid part... Not thinking that people want and would take free things...


That was it... Continue with whatever the current topic is...

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38834: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:18:11 PM

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London's crime rate was low before its Gun laws.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:18:32 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38835: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:19:19 PM

Screw hate speech laws. People should be able to say whatever the fuck they want, as long as it isn't, you know, slander, libel, or something like yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#38836: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:20:29 PM

Saying blacks and whites shouldn't marry implies (within context) the speaker thinks blacks are second-class humans that shouldn't mingle with whites, i.e. vilifying blacks, i.e hate speech, i.e. exactly what I said.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#38837: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:20:43 PM

Okay, Ekuran, I'll play.

1. We don't go to war to save parakeets and goldfish. We do it to save people.

2. Generally, self-sufficient, responsible citizens are considered a good thing.

3. Your words, not mine.

4. Your words, not mine.

5. Actually no, that's not hate speech.

6. No, we shouldn't shoot uppity sand niggas. However, if some crazy douchebag wants to blow up an airplane full of innocent people, I say shoot that motherfucker.

Saying blacks and whites shouldn't marry implies (within context) the speaker thinks blacks are second-class humans that shouldn't mingle with whites, i.e. vilifying blacks, i.e hate speech, i.e. exactly what I said.

While your suppositions are impressive, and justifiable even, they don't equal facts.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:23:00 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#38838: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:21:06 PM

[up]X4 and [up]X6The UK is more then jsut London you know.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:23:12 PM by Silasw

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Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38839: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:21:12 PM

@deathpigeon: *puts on Devil's Advocate hat*

So hate speech is not slanderous?

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38840: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:21:14 PM

@Ekurian: Doesn't mean that people shouldn't be allowed to say it.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:21:47 PM by deathpigeon

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38841: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:21:21 PM

@ Swish: The idea isn't so much that people wouldn't take the thousand dollars, but that Rush believes the welfare queen lie of people wanting to be on the doll their entire lives. Nevermind that most people take pride in being able to work and produce and earn their money honestly, and that most people on welfare get off of it as soon as they're financially able to.

He thinks those who voted for Obama basically want to live the high life while not doing anything to earn it when that's blatantly untrue.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:21:41 PM by AceofSpades

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38842: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:21:43 PM

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Or that whites are second-class humans that shouldn't mingle with blacks.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:22:11 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#38843: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:22:46 PM

What Fighteer said, basically.

Screw hate speech laws. People should be able to say whatever the fuck they want, as long as it isn't, you know, slander, libel, or something like yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater.

Holy shittles, I think deathpigeon is malfunctioning.

[up]Er, why would that be any better?

edited 7th Nov '12 7:23:49 PM by HilarityEnsues

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38844: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:23:11 PM

[up]Given historical context, it's not the whites that are ever implied to be second class citizens, Deviant. And you know it.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38845: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:23:53 PM

@Arksas: I... I don't know. To be honest, I never thought about that. Can I get back to you on that point?

Regardless, if they are, then we really shouldn't need hate speech laws, just a good court case that makes hate speech == slander precedent.

@Hilarity: Malfunctioning?

edited 7th Nov '12 7:24:21 PM by deathpigeon

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38846: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:24:25 PM

@Ekuran

We had this kind of free speech talk here for a long time, using gay marriage as an example.

I largely agree with Starship Maxima on this point. Hate speech isn't content, it's your attitude and whether or not you misuse it. A step-by-step argument outlining your cause for why interracial marriage might be mutually harmful isn't hate speech, when conveyed calmly and respectfully, even if you disagree with it.

Fish1 h Since: Sep, 2010
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#38847: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:24:57 PM

The only way hate speech laws could be passed is if we repeal the First Amendment, and that is never going to happen.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#38848: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:25:47 PM

2. Government should exist to enable people to take care of themselves and pursue their own destiny. Once social welfare erodes self-responsibility, it needs to be redressed.
And not having a Social Safety net is criminal. People should not have to go bankrupt because of paying for insane insurance premiums if one family member loses a job or suffers a life-long illness like Neuropathy. This is the 21st Century America, not debtor Victorian England.

Most people want Social Welfare to help ENABLE their lives and get jobs and education they want. Hell, Canada did a freakin' study on this in the 70s/80s. You give people government guaranteed aid as far as education, medicine and some small money? They're much much happier because social welfare gives them the ability TO pursue their own destiny.

3. There's nothing wrong with making lots of money and people and businesses should be allowed to do so.
But there is everything about rigging your own market in such a way that your deals failing makes you a lot of money at the expense of a shit ton of people's lives being upended because you bet against yourselves.

As well, you shouldn't make a ton of money for causing your company to torpedo and walk away from it with enough money to get a new yacht, a new mansion and buy caviar.

4. Undocumented residents shouldn't be given carte blance to simply remain in the country and completely ignore the established rules for gaining citizenship.
The citizenship process should be made easier as it's been made incredibly harder in recent years. You don't ease up on immigration and the US WILL become Japan.

6. The United States has the right, and the obligation, to use lethal force to defend it's citizens.
Sure why not. We don't have the right to invade a country (Iraq) on illegitimate grounds and force our country's governmental model on every other country and we don't need to be Team America: World Police.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:26:30 PM by PotatoesRock

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38849: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:26:11 PM

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Citizens and humans aren't the same thing.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:26:48 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#38850: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:27:32 PM

Potatoes Rock, if you were running for office, you'd have my vote.

It was an honor

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