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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#38801: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:44:59 PM

@Silasw and Dr. Tentacles: Thank you for the kind words.

And rest assured, us honest Republicans, us Republicans who care about the United States and her people, know that the country didn't reject us, but rather rejected the arrogance, hypocrisy, and pettiness that has become all too common for the Republican party.

I'm loathe to say Republican, because outside of the core fundamental cultural issues, they literally make me sick. Republicans are disgusted by Republicans, I can see why America is as well.

It was an honor
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38802: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:48:22 PM

the core fundamental cultural issues

...Out of curiosity, what are these fundamental issues?

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38803: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:48:35 PM

Speaking of Marco Rubio... I hope he's ok after getting criticized for congratulating his fellow Florida senator.

Link here.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#38804: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:50:47 PM

@Triv: The first part of your sentence is basically what I said, and I was actually referring to barely restricted markets that are almost unrestricted but republicans can pass off as "compromise" to those who buy into into the bullshit of the Cult of Centrism, who actually do post on this thread (I'm sorry if you thought I was referring to completely unrestricted markets, my bad).

And meh on the whole libertarian thing. I prefer to just use the liberal/conservative scale.

Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#38805: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:54:50 PM

I love how on big news nights, Fox News puts its best face forward, removes the crazies, and puts Megan Kelly and Brit Hume front and center.

edited 7th Nov '12 6:55:02 PM by Completion

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#38806: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:56:12 PM

Rubio should smack those commenters in the face. All else aside, he has my sympathies for having such rotten people in his constituency.

edited 7th Nov '12 6:59:16 PM by HilarityEnsues

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#38807: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:56:15 PM

...Out of curiosity, what are these fundamental issues?

A short summation of the socio-ideological beliefs of The Starship Maxima.

1. Abortion; outside of a case of clear and immediate harm to the mother, is the murder of defenseless human life. It's an affront to the very concept of civilization, and should be outlawed. I don't believe a woman's right to her body supersedes a human being's right to exist.

2. Government should exist to enable people to take care of themselves and pursue their own destiny. Once social welfare erodes self-responsibility, it needs to be redressed.

3. There's nothing wrong with making lots of money and people and businesses should be allowed to do so.

4. Undocumented residents shouldn't be given carte blance to simply remain in the country and completely ignore the established rules for gaining citizenship.

5. Saying that men shouldn't marry men doesn't constitute hate speech.

6. The United States has the right, and the obligation, to use lethal force to defend it's citizens.

Those are the general ones.

It was an honor
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#38808: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:56:55 PM

They don't want the crazies leaving a bad impression on the night that the most Americans will be tuning to their channel?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#38809: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:58:09 PM

Rubio got yelled at... for showing common courtesy? Its considered pretty normal to congratulate the winner and its not like they have to hate their colleagues.

Anyone think that the GOP might stop funding Bachmann if she can only barely survive despite having every advantage thrown her way?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38810: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:59:04 PM

The libertarians are the prime example of where the liberal/conservatism scale fails. I much prefer a two axis system, with social issues on one axis and economic issues on the other.

@Starship: Other than the abortion issue, and maybe the immigration issue, those are all places where the Republicans and Democrats sort of agree...

edited 7th Nov '12 7:00:19 PM by deathpigeon

Fish1 h Since: Sep, 2010
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#38811: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:00:29 PM

Whether you like it or not Maxima, the vast majority of Americans put raped women before embryos/fetuses. Including most Republicans.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:01:19 PM by Fish1

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38812: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:00:31 PM

[up][up][up]Probably. It's going to be the same with Romney if he decides to run again. Nobody will be stupid enough to blow millions more on him after he made everything blow up. He really shouldn't have lost given the state of things.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:02:04 PM by Kostya

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38813: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:03:20 PM

Also, I don't believe there is any party that disagrees with number 5... Especially since hate speech laws are unconstitutional, and none actually exist here in the US. To find disagreement on that point, one must look outside of the US.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38814: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:03:37 PM

@Ekuran

I guess we're largely in agreement. I originally brought this up in relation to Green Party, in comparison with the libertarians.

@Fish 1

Well, hang on. I think the pro-abortion side is being exaggerated here. Rape is not the fault of the baby and does not mean abortion is mandatory; people you speak of might think all mothers go for it, but that's not the case.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:05:29 PM by Trivialis

LMage Since: May, 2011
#38815: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:04:22 PM

It's funny, in my state (at the state level anyways) the immigration issue is the only truly decisive issue between the parties and only because we are a boarder state, and THEN only really on driver's licences.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38816: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:04:30 PM

I don't even know how number five became a fundamental value at all. Regardless, this is a secular country and as such should not force religious definitions on marriage. (And yeah, it's going to keep being called marriage, because I doubt that 'civil union' is going to catch on very well.)

Hell, I don't even recall any serious democrat candidates saying that you couldn't do that. Just saying they support two people's right to get married, not denying anyone the right to express an opinion.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#38817: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:04:51 PM

Other than the abortion issue, and maybe the immigration issue, those are all places where the Republicans and Democrats sort of agree..

I've always said our common causes far outweigh our differences.

Whether you like it or not Maxima, the vast majority of Americans put raped women before embryos/fetuses. Including most Republicans.

I don't. But...I'd have a difficult time demonizing a rape victim who opted for abortion.

It was an honor
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#38818: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:06:17 PM

Romney is done. I read that the GOP has never fielded a defeated Presidential candidate for a subsequent election. If you lose in the primary, you can run again, but if you fail in the general, you are cooked.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#38819: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:06:28 PM

For that matter I don't even think "gays should not be able to marry" is really considered hate speech by itself, but that statement generally has accompanying rhetoric that most certainly is.

And do we have an abortion thread that hasn't been nuked yet? This comes up an awful lot.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:07:27 PM by HilarityEnsues

Fish1 h Since: Sep, 2010
h
#38820: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:07:22 PM

Oops. That came out wrong. I'm simply saying that most people think that abortion should be legal if a woman has been raped.

[up][up] Nixon.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:07:57 PM by Fish1

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38821: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:08:07 PM

[up][up]Abortion topics have been prohibited, sadly enough. We can only mention it here in passing.

[up]x3 Teddy Roosevelt technically counts?

edited 7th Nov '12 7:08:33 PM by Trivialis

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#38822: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:08:23 PM

Having an opinion that gays should not marry is fine. While I don't agree, you have a right to express that opinion (in a constructive manner). However, I absolutely reject your right to enforce that belief through legislation.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38823: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:08:49 PM

@Starship: It's less that common sense prevails over the differences between the parties, and more that the differences between the parties have been slowly eroded as the Democrats have gone further and further right! (Hell, Obama is moderate conservatism. A far fall from the Democrats of FDR.)

edited 7th Nov '12 7:09:03 PM by deathpigeon

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38824: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:09:33 PM

[up][up]Which has, historically, been done in four states this election. Which is kind of astounding for all sorts of reasons.

edited 7th Nov '12 7:09:48 PM by AceofSpades

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#38825: Nov 7th 2012 at 7:10:12 PM

The Democrats have moved left on social issues but been drawn to the right on fiscal matters. The fact that climate change wasn't even on the table during this election is proof of that.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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